[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'M')y girlfriend and I were both born on the 23rd (her May, me June). The older lady we live with was born on July 23rd.

[bodigami]

...besides being one of 3 possible days (21, 22, 23) for a significant change in december 2012, it's just a number more.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t isn't too hard to grasp, 2 is the first prime number. 3 is the second. 2+3 makes 5, the 3rd. (...)

[PenultimateManStanding]

Well I'm not into the technical computer side of it Ron. But take some example at random, say

1426434338796478478478478478...

there is a simple algorithm to convert that into a rational fraction.

Then take this famous example:

PI=3.141592653589793238462643383...

There is no pattern that ever emerges, the numbers are all random. If your program was truly creating a list of random numbers there would be no pattern. Some irrational numbers obviously have physical or geometrical meaning. But to actually make a random list of digits you are actually telling the computer to give you some irrational number. One thing that's really strange. Each time you ran it I presume you got some different set of digits but that they all started repeating after 6940 generations. That is truly bizarre. Maybe that means you were always generating some multiple of the same number which somehow was the result of some arcane interaction between your software and the hardware of the computer you were using. Don't know, man. Numbers are weird.

[RonMN]

Ya know PMS...maybe I could have a computer calculate Pi out to the millionth decimal place & group them by 3's and see if there's a pattern.

Sometimes patterns are so large we simply can't see them.

I have to think that if it was a glitch in the program that generated the random numbers, then it would immeiately fall into this patern rather than 20,000 - 90,000 generations AND THEN fall into the pattern of 6940.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '
')I have to think that if it was a glitch in the program that generated the random numbers, then it would immeiately fall into this patern rather than 20,000 - 90,000 generations AND THEN fall into the pattern of 6940.

[RonMN]

PMS Wrote:
Of course this really is starting to get way over my head if the digits are different each time you run the programs but they all have the same length cycles. whew.

That's exactly what I'm saying...& it's probably why I finally gave up on it...I started feeling I was in too deep

Same thing happened when I changed it to 4 digits (but I forget the count between repetitions of those cycles, 40-some-thousand if I remember correctly)...and 5 digits were just too big for me to find a pattern (if infact there was a pattern).

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '
')That's exactly what I'm saying...& it's probably why I finally gave up on it...I started feeling I was in too deep

[MD]

Go look at the coincidence thread for my tie into this thread, then I need to go post it in the video thread also. The rabbit hole gets curiouser and curiouser, George!

[RonMN]

Actually, the over-all idea what to see if there was a pattern to random (meaning that nothing is truely random).

I still suspect there may be...but after spending almost 2 years on it...I finally decided to drop it.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'L')ook at this thread! OHMYGOD...What have I done? Keep hammering away. You may end up the master of the universe while the rest of us toil away in the play pens of peak oil and politics.

[Chesire]

Gah I have to find this thread when I am sposed to be in bed
I have been intrigued with numbers since someone I worked for gave me Cheiro's book of numbers. Yes my year of birth adds up to 23 lol and 2+3= 5 and 2012 adds up to 5 too hmmm.

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'B')TW, I HAVE gone there, briefly and unintentionally, and will never go back if I can help it. It's unbelievably unnerving. Anyone who thinks they can go there and retain the upper hand will so get their ass kicked.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'B')TW, I HAVE gone there, briefly and unintentionally, and will never go back if I can help it. It's unbelievably unnerving. Anyone who thinks they can go there and retain the upper hand will so get their ass kicked.

[mercurygirl]

[Kingcoal]

I usually ignore threads like this, but I'm feeling vocal today. Let me ask the logical question; what is the relationship between our calendar (which is based on the hypothetical birth date of Christ and a random assemblage of Roman cultural occurrences) and the number 23? If this forum was in Japanese, would the same coincidences pop up? If we used the Mayan calendar, would the same "patterns" show up?

Science is based on observing reality. Temperatures are generally measured in Kelvin, which is based on our best approximation of absolute zero. Fahrenheit, while useful to us, must be converted to Kelvin when used in most scientific equations. What I'm trying to get at is the fact that science uses certain scales of measurement for a reason and that reason is the mathematical relationship between those systems of measurement. Science is really nothing more than a bunch of conversions, equivalencies.

When trying to understand the significance of the number 23, you have to use common systems of measurement. If the number 23 shows patterns when calculating dates, you have to go back and find a reference point and convert your equations to be based on that reference point. I guess what people are saying here is that there is something in the way humans think, which tends to produce systems of measurement (such as the yearly calendar with months of varying days) and the English language, which has a mathematical relationship to the number 23. What is the relationship between our calendar, the English language and the number 23?

To put it simply, does the universe (nature) conform to our whims? Do we really have whims, or is everything we say and do just part of a big controlled plan? Is there a god who is actively guiding us so that our actions follow a pattern which can be calculated in relationship to the number 23? How can I use the number 23 to produce equations which predict future events? I want to know because I have big plans which involve the enslavement of humanity for my benefit. I want to use all of humanity in my plan to produce the largest toilet in the universe. I then want to insert all of those who have knowledge of the significance of the number 23 into this toilet and flush it. I want all knowledge of my sacred number to be banished from the earth. Perhaps this has happened before? Perhaps we are rediscovering ancient knowledge, wiped out by a previous toilet builder. If so, then there should be evidence of this ancient toilet somewhere.

[threadbear]

King Coal. The universe is primarily a great thought. The physical, that which we call "real" may be secondary to an underlying consciousness. Information may be linked associatively throughout the universe, in an unpredictable manner. Random chance and predetermination are engaged in a kind of dance with one leading and the other following in turns.

The mysteries contained within the number 23 illustrate how powerful consciousness is in maintaining delusions or conveying an underlying truth. Sometimes it's mix of both. It certainly illustrates the limits of our predictive abilities, in terms of reproducabililty of results. But that is just what you would expect if random chance was undermined by predetermination AND vice versa, and you couldn't know when one or the other was dominant.

[RonMN]

threadbear Wrote:
The physical, that which we call "real" may be secondary to an underlying consciousness.

This reminds me of a guy I used to work with...He once asked me "What do you know for sure"?

I said "for sure?..There's only one thing any of us could know for sure...I think, therefor I am".

[midnight-gamer]

This is somewhat off topic. I bought a math book to brush up on my rusty algebra skills. A interesting topic was the "Fibonacci Sequence" Which is a number pattern that seems to pop up in nature.
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,978,1597
Each member in the series is the product of the two numbers preceding it.
Pineapples, pinecones, and sunflowers all have two spiral patterns. One clock wise pattern, and the other, counter clockwise. The number of spirals in each pattern is always one of the numbers in the Fibonacci Sequence.
This shows that weird number patterns do show up in the natural world.
link

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('midnight-gamer', 'i')nteresting topic was the "Fibonacci Sequence" Which is a number pattern that seems to pop up in nature.
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,978,1597
Each member in the series is the product of the two numbers preceding it.