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Would the Native Americans have screwed up as royally?

Yes
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No
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America wasn't screwed up
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby dorlomin » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 11:08:09

That is hippiest thing I have ever seen on the internet.

And that is a scientific fact.
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 11:23:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')mall edit.

Matt writes about Hopi Prophecy too? :? :P
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby billg » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 11:33:51

"It is no measure of health to be deemed sane in an insane society" J. Krishnamurti

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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 12:16:57

The Quickening$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').."The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.
"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.(men with guns)
"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies."
"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle."

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron." (railroad tracks)
"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web." (power & phone lines)
"This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun." (concrete highways and their mirage-producing effects)
"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it." (ocean oil spills)
"This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom. ("Hippy Movement" of the 60's)
"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 13:09:49

Golem's not Savinar, sheesh! How could you get that mixed up? I thought that was my area. Golem's raph for sure though :P
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 13:17:55

The guy's right about the chimp being a relative but not an ancestor - this is a common misunderstanding. Chimps are relatives, and our common ancestor lived millions of years ago.

All in all a pretty cool film. Europeans did live like the Indians until the disease of Civilization spread from the Middle East.
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 13:23:24

I banned Roccman from LATOC for posting a link to Crude Awakening here at PO.com
He had tried to pull the same stunt at LATOC.
It's a shame cause when he's on his meds and able to comport himself, he actually makes some great posts such as the one about his root-cellar turned fallout shelter.
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 13:33:52

OK um, how does this work?
You banned him from your LATOC forums for posting a link? So, I guess the rules there are, no links?
Generally forums allow the posting of links, and maybe he assumed it was ok on the LATOC forums?
I and others post links here all the time! Hell I just posted one! The post is almost all link!
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 14:48:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I') banned Roccman from LATOC for posting a link to Crude Awakening here at PO.com
He had tried to pull the same stunt at LATOC.
It's a shame cause when he's on his meds and able to comport himself, he actually makes some great posts such as the one about his root-cellar turned fallout shelter.

The POWER. :fuckoff:
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 15:52:43

I'm wondering if it was an "illegal" link to the movie, and we must keep the RIAA happy, ya know...

But yeah, that power must be quite a high....
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby Ang » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 16:19:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '"')And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.


So is the "blue star" Planet X?
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 17:03:59

Sounds like a space station - falling, burning up, looks like a blue star.
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby roccman » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 19:19:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I') banned Roccman from LATOC for posting a link to Crude Awakening here at PO.com


You lie.

Someone else posted the links - I agreed with that poster that it should be free.

I thought you gave up drinking matty...too bad.
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 19:34:38

I love the video Roc, way better then what I was looking at... :lol:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5aUz9cDaCY

It's funny too that Matt's bringin up old shit thread jacking again. He probably keeps a spreadsheet to organize his jars of crap. Have a nice day Matt! :-D
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby Minvaren » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 21:32:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'S')ounds like a space station - falling, burning up, looks like a blue star.


Skylab?
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby paimei01 » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 04:31:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e Hopi believe that the human race has passed through three different worlds and life ways since the beginning. At the end of each prior world, human life has been purified or punished by the Great Spirit Massauu due mainly to corruption, greed, and turning away from the Great Spirit's teachings.

The last great destruction was the flood which destroyed all but a few faithful ones who received a permission from the Great Spirit to live with Him in this new land. The Great Spirit said, "It is up to you, if you are willing to live my poor, humble, and simple life way. It is hard but, if you agree to live according to my teachings and instructions, if you never lose faith in the life I shall give you, you may come and live with me." The Hopi and all who were saved from the great flood made a sacred covenant with the Great Spirit at that time.

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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby greenworm » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 15:35:26

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I would flip that bottom left one. :lol:

I would apply the bottom right one to the dotted line, unless you believe the hopi foresaw high beams. :lol:

The missing pieces, well, all I can say is road trip this summer and all I want to know is, whose coming with me? :lol: Seriously, anyone is welcome to join, unky greenworm is getting old and has taken the journey by bicycle which has unfortunely left me with my own pair of stones, yea, in my kidney, ouch. So extra feet is more than welcome. I'm kinda open source my self too. :lol:

I do have a fear that someone may possess this missing piece, I understand the history of the time and it could have been heisted by the white man. However, there is the possibility that it was hidden during the battles and never retrieved. Who knows?


Anyways, is there a geologist in the house? Paging all geologists. What the heck am I looking at? The one on the left is roughly 6 lbs. The one on the right is 3.165 lbs and contains quartz within the seams. The first one hardly shows any quartz. I don't have a scale that accurately shows specific density, so if anyone has any bright ideas, throw em at me. Looking to build a scale in the meantime. Man, I wish I studied geology, who knew?


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The journey is on pause, I'm completely sick head/chest cold and the snow has showed up again. WTF?#@%$%

Oh, thanks in advance. Pahanna, you out there, I bet I sure could help alot. :lol:
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby greenworm » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 16:05:34

Yo G, your probably way ahead of me, but the swat is represented by what they call a nexus, i.e. they create it using stones and it looks like a strange stone wall intersection. Look carefully at the stone walls, not all of them were made by early white settlers. Google burnt hill, I think you might find an example there. I have one on my neighbors property. I also believe that the front left of my property formed one as well, but has since been torn down for a dirt road passage. The reason that I can safely assume that it was a nexus, because it lines up with the crescent moon and star I showed you, which lines up with a rather large mounded rock, which lines up with a large carved indian stone head. Yes, I just described the upper right hand corner hopi stone tablet that you posted.

It is safe to say, that I am glad I met ya. :-D

Now I'm gonna go pass out, peace. :(
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby basil_hayden » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 16:16:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '
')Anyways, is there a geologist in the house? Paging all geologists. What the heck am I looking at? The one on the left is roughly 6 lbs. The one on the right is 3.165 lbs and contains quartz within the seams. The first one hardly shows any quartz.

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Those are rocks. Metamorphic even! :-) The one on the left is about twice as big as the one on the right.
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Re: Hopi Native American Prophecy

Unread postby greenworm » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 16:21:20

Yup, I know, do you know what the makeup of the orange part of the rock is? Sorry about that, I wasn't very clear. I'm thinking hematite? Yes/no.
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