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Re: Jack/Ayoob: Have you 2 invested in Halliburton y

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:22:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', 'J')ack is advocating being a psychopath. I don't see the relationship with human nature.

Could you provide me with some links where he advocates psychopathic behavior as oppossed to simply observing it in others or in society? Given the predicament we've gotten ourselves in, I don't think it would be too over-the-top to say us humans have been behaving in a collectiely psychopathic fashion.

FWIW in my mind, people who can simultaneously:
1. sincerely believe themselves to be environmentalists while
2. driving cars, the most environmentally destructive device ever created
. . . have true psychopathic tendencies.
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Re: Jack/Ayoob: Have you 2 invested in Halliburton y

Unread postby Z » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:31:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'G')iven the predicament we've gotten ourselves in, I don't think it would be too over-the-top to say us humans have been behaving in a collectiely psychopathic fashion.

Have you watched the movie 'the corporation'. It explain how corporations would be considered psychopaths if they were human beings. Seek your explanation of our behavior since 150 years and its footprint on our societies no farther.
This is by no stretch 'human nature', but rather a twisted philosophy aimed at creating wealth at maximum speed that permeates our western societies.
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Re: Jack/Ayoob: Have you 2 invested in Halliburton y

Unread postby Z » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:44:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'C')ould you provide me with some links where he advocates psychopathic behavior as oppossed to simply observing it in others or in society?

Search time 1 minute. Link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')he poor are merely an economic artifact of existing distribution mechanisms. There's no particular point in loving the poor; nor is there any particular reason to hate them. Instead, regard them as a resource to be used.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'F')WIW in my mind, people who can simultaneously
1. sincerely believe themselves to be environmentalists while
2. driving cars, the most environmentally destructive device ever created

Psychopaths couldn't care less about the consequences of their action, and in your example, one of them wouldn't be environmentalist. Your example makes me think of people just unaware or inconsistent.
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Re: Jack/Ayoob: Have you 2 invested in Halliburton y

Unread postby Ayoob » Sun 07 May 2006, 21:16:19

I'm not so sure Halliburton is the way to go. I bought SU last Feb, FSNGX a couple months ago, silver at 7.42 an oz (several thousand ounces and took delivery, now safely shipped out of state), and I have my eye on a couple of coal companies.
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Re: Jack/Ayoob: Have you 2 invested in Halliburton y

Unread postby jato » Sun 07 May 2006, 22:03:06

Jack is certainly the most refreshing voice on the board. He reminds me of HAL9000 (since we are on the sci-fi theme):

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...a smart, logical, rational entity willing to kill to protect himself. :lol:

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Re: Jack/Ayoob: Have you 2 invested in Halliburton y

Unread postby DefiledEngine » Mon 08 May 2006, 00:39:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ack is advocating being a psychopath. I don't see the relationship with human nature. Psychopaths are not the norm yet.

It's interesting to note that no one reacted on his comment in the linked thread you provided. I wonder if the case would have been the same had he said that there was no such thing as "peak oil"?
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I don't think antisocial means that you don't care about the consequences of your actions.
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Re: Jack/Ayoob: Have you 2 invested in Halliburton y

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 08 May 2006, 00:55:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'G')iven the predicament we've gotten ourselves in, I don't think it would be too over-the-top to say us humans have been behaving in a collectiely psychopathic fashion.
Have you watched the movie 'the corporation'. It explain how corporations would be considered psychopaths if they were human beings. Seek your explanation of our behavior since 150 years and its footprint on our societies no farther. This is by no stretch 'human nature', but rather a twisted philosophy aimed at creating wealth at maximum speed that permeates our western societies.

Sure did see it. Irrelevant to this discussion. Human beings were committing all sorts of horrible psychopathic acts against one another long prior to the advent of corporate personhood in the late 1800s.
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Halliburton sold nuclear technology to Iran

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Tue 19 Sep 2006, 16:35:24

It seems this is old-ish news, but I don't recall it ever being mentioned in the media, strangely enough.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')uring a trip to the Middle East in March 1996, Vice President Dick Cheney told a group of mostly U.S. businessmen that Congress should ease sanctions in Iran and Libya to foster better relationships, a statement that, in hindsight, is completely hypocritical considering the Bush administration’s foreign policy.

“Let me make a generalized statement about a trend I see in the U.S. Congress that I find disturbing, that applies not only with respect to the Iranian situation but a number of others as well,” Cheney said. “I think we Americans sometimes make mistakes . . . There seems to be an assumption that somehow we know what’s best for everybody else and that we are going to use our economic clout to get everybody else to live the way we would like.”

Cheney was the chief executive of Halliburton Corporation at the time he uttered those words. It was Cheney who directed Halliburton toward aggressive business dealings with Iran—in violation of U.S. law—in the mid-1990s, which continued through 2005 and is the reason Iran has the capability to enrich weapons-grade uranium.
It was Halliburton’s secret sale of centrifuges to Iran that helped get the uranium enrichment program off the ground, according to a three-year investigation that includes interviews conducted with more than a dozen current and former Halliburton employees.

If the U.S. ends up engaged in a war with Iran in the future, Cheney and Halliburton will bear the brunt of the blame.
But this shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone who has been following Halliburton’s business activities over the past decade. The company has a long, documented history of violating U.S. sanctions and conducting business with so-called rogue nations.

No, what’s disturbing about these facts is how little attention it has received from the mainstream media. But the public record speaks for itself, as do the thousands of pages of documents obtained by various federal agencies that show how Halliburton’s business dealings in Iran helped fund terrorist activities there—including the country’s nuclear enrichment program.

[url=http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm#2]
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Does anybody know any more about this?
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Re: Halliburton sold nuclear technology to Iran

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 19 Sep 2006, 16:58:13

I believe Iran has nukes bought from the Ukraine.
I believe Iran was sold all sorts of weapons from all sorts of countries.

Iran-Iraq War
Iranian Revolution

For anyone who did not know - The shah of Iran was a U.S. puppet.

The U.S. subscribes to the "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" theory.

I dont know anymore about this haliburton story yet I find it easy to believe.
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Re: Halliburton sold nuclear technology to Iran

Unread postby seahorse » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 09:43:33

CA,

That was an excellent article. Its dumbfounding that in "this road to sanctions" or "war with Iran" over the Iranian nuclear program, this article and information is not being covered by anyone.

It makes me wonder what Cheney's motivations are. If Cheney was illegally dealing with Iran in the 90s, possibly selling centrifuges to Iran now, why the condemnation now from him on th talk show circuits? Is it genuine or b.s. I'm trying to come up with possible explanations for the contradictions, bc I think it would be telling.

One possible explanation is access to Iranian oil. As far back as 1999, Cheney gave a speech about how it was getting harder and harder to find oil in the world, so, its plausible in the 90s Halliburton was simply trying to get in the door to Iranian oil production. If that door were closed by the Iranians, then use the power of the government to effect "regime change" and get US access to the Iranian oil. I think this is what happened in Iraq. Lots of people were dealing with Iraq illegally during the sanctions on them. The Russians then signed a bunch of oil development deals in late 2002 (If I remember correctly), and three months later, the US invaded. A good argument we didn't want the Russians and others to get access to Iraqi oil. Same could be true in Iran.

As for the possibility of why they may have sold centrifuges to Iran, I don't understand. Maybe, though, in the end, the US intelligence on the Iranian nuclear program is better than we think, but the US can't divulge its sources, because the sources are all at Halliburton.
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Re: Halliburton sold nuclear technology to Iran

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Thu 21 Sep 2006, 17:24:34

I'm not overly surprised that this may have happened - it does seem to follow a well-established pattern of <ker-ching><ker-ching>. Perhaps the most disturbing thing is that nary a peep has been heard of this in the mainstream media. This should be a huge story, and yet, nothing. It really suggests that there is a level of censorship in the media that Pravda would have applauded. How many other stories have been similarly suppressed?
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Halliburton Sold Nuclear Technologies to Iran: Whitehouse Co

Unread postby watchdogmovement » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 17:09:38

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Halliburton Charged with Selling Nuclear Technologies to Iran
Global Research.ca, August 5, 2005
Title: “Halliburton Secretly Doing Business With Key Member of Iran’s Nuclear Team” Author: Jason Leopold
Faculty Evaluator: Catherine Nelson, Student Researchers: Kristine Medeiros and Pla Herr:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to journalist Jason Leopold, sources at former Cheney company Halliburton allege that, as recently as January of 2005, Halliburton sold key components for a nuclear reactor to an Iranian oil development company. Leopold says his Halliburton sources have intimate knowledge of the business dealings of both Halliburton and Oriental Oil Kish, one of Iran’s largest private oil companies.

Additionally, throughout 2004 and 2005, Halliburton worked closely with Cyrus Nasseri, the vice chairman of the board of directors of Iran-based Oriental Oil Kish, to develop oil projects in Iran. Nasseri is also a key member of Iran’s nuclear development team. Nasseri was interrogated by Iranian authorities in late July 2005 for allegedly providing Halliburton with Iran’s nuclear secrets. Iranian government officials charged Nasseri with accepting as much as $1 million in bribes from Halliburton for this information.

Oriental Oil Kish dealings with Halliburton first became public knowledge in January 2005 when the company announced that it had subcontracted parts of the South Pars gas-drilling project to Halliburton Products and Services, a subsidiary of Dallas-based Halliburton that is registered to the Cayman Islands. Following the announcement, Halliburton claimed that the South Pars gas field project in Tehran would be its last project in Iran. According to a BBC report, Halliburton, which took thirty to forty million dollars from its Iranian operations in 2003, “was winding down its work due to a poor business environment.”

However, Halliburton has a long history of doing business in Iran, starting as early as 1995, while Vice President Cheney was chief executive of the company. Leopold quotes a February 2001 report published in the Wall Street Journal, “Halliburton Products and Services Ltd., works behind an unmarked door on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block. A brochure declares that the company was registered in 1975 in the Cayman Islands, is based in the Persian Gulf sheikdom of Dubai and is “non-American.” But like the sign over the receptionist’s head, the brochure bears the company’s name and red emblem, and offers services from Halliburton units around the world.” Moreover mail sent to the company’s offices in Tehran and the Cayman Islands is forwarded directly to its Dallas headquarters.

In an attempt to curtail Halliburton and other U.S. companies from engaging in business dealings with rogue nations such as Libya, Iran, and Syria, an amendment was approved in the Senate on July 26, 2005. The amendment, sponsored by Senator Susan Collins R-Maine, would penalize companies that continue to skirt U.S. law by setting up offshore subsidiaries as a way to legally conduct and avoid U.S. sanctions under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA).

A letter, drafted by trade groups representing corporate executives, vehemently objected to the amendment, saying it would lead to further hatred and perhaps incite terrorist attacks on the U.S. and “greatly strain relations with the United States primary trading partners.” The letter warned that, “Foreign governments view U.S. efforts to dictate their foreign and commercial policy as violations of sovereignty often leading them to adopt retaliatory measures more at odds with U.S. goals.”

Collins supports the legislation, stating, “It prevents U.S. corporations from creating a shell company somewhere else in order to do business with rogue, terror-sponsoring nations such as Syria and Iran. The bottom line is that if a U.S. company is evading sanctions to do business with one of these countries, they are helping to prop up countries that support terrorism—most often aimed against America.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')PDATE BY JASON LEOPOLD
During a trip to the Middle East in March 1996, Vice President Dick Cheney told a group of mostly U.S. businessmen that Congress should ease sanctions in Iran and Libya to foster better relationships, a statement that, in hindsight, is completely hypocritical considering the Bush administration’s foreign policy.

“Let me make a generalized statement about a trend I see in the U.S. Congress that I find disturbing, that applies not only with respect to the Iranian situation but a number of others as well,” Cheney said. “I think we Americans sometimes make mistakes . . . There seems to be an assumption that somehow we know what’s best for everybody else and that we are going to use our economic clout to get everybody else to live the way we would like.”

Cheney was the chief executive of Halliburton Corporation at the time he uttered those words. It was Cheney who directed Halliburton toward aggressive business dealings with Iran—in violation of U.S. law—in the mid-1990s, which continued through 2005 and is the reason Iran has the capability to enrich weapons-grade uranium.
It was Halliburton’s secret sale of centrifuges to Iran that helped get the uranium enrichment program off the ground, according to a three-year investigation that includes interviews conducted with more than a dozen current and former Halliburton employees.

If the U.S. ends up engaged in a war with Iran in the future, Cheney and Halliburton will bear the brunt of the blame.
But this shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone who has been following Halliburton’s business activities over the past decade. The company has a long, documented history of violating U.S. sanctions and conducting business with so-called rogue nations.

No, what’s disturbing about these facts is how little attention it has received from the mainstream media. But the public record speaks for itself, as do the thousands of pages of documents obtained by various federal agencies that show how Halliburton’s business dealings in Iran helped fund terrorist activities there—including the country’s nuclear enrichment program.

When I asked Wendy Hall, a spokeswoman for Halliburton, a couple of years ago if Halliburton would stop doing business with Iran because of concerns that the company helped fund terrorism she said, “No.” “We believe that decisions as to the nature of such governments and their actions are better made by governmental authorities and international entities such as the United Nations as opposed to individual persons or companies,” Hall said. “Putting politics aside, we and our affiliates operate in countries to the extent it is legally permissible, where our customers are active as they expect us to provide oilfield services support to their international operations. “We do not always agree with policies or actions of governments in every place that we do business and make no excuses for their behaviors. Due to the long-term nature of our business and the inevitability of political and social change, it is neither prudent nor appropriate for our company to establish our own country-by-country foreign policy.”

Halliburton first started doing business in Iran as early as 1995, while Vice President Cheney was chief executive of the company and in possible violation of U.S. sanctions.

An executive order signed by former President Bill Clinton in March 1995 prohibits “new investments (in Iran) by U.S. persons, including commitment of funds or other assets.” It also bars U.S. companies from performing services “that would benefit the Iranian oil industry” and provide Iran with the financial means to engage in terrorist activity.
When Bush and Cheney came into office in 2001, their administration decided it would not punish foreign oil and gas companies that invest in those countries. The sanctions imposed on countries like Iran and Libya before Bush became president were blasted by Cheney, who gave frequent speeches on the need for U.S. companies to compete with their foreign competitors, despite claims that those countries may have ties to terrorism.

“I think we’d be better off if we, in fact, backed off those sanctions (on Iran), didn’t try to impose secondary boycotts on companies . . . trying to do business over there . . . and instead started to rebuild those relationships,” Cheney said during a 1998 business trip to Sydney, Australia, according to Australia’s Illawarra Mercury newspaper.
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Re: Halliburton Sold Nuclear Technologies to Iran: Whitehous

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 17:18:32

hard core. Ya seen anything more doomer then the unreported truth lately?
the news that didnt make the news <--link
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Re: Halliburton Sold Nuclear Technologies to Iran: Whitehous

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 18:08:13

Big deal. Look at what Rumsfeld was involved in:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')onald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.


The two faces of Rumsfeld

So Cheney and Rumsfeld create the enemies we now want to destroy. How convenient.
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Re: Halliburton Sold Nuclear Technologies to Iran: Whitehous

Unread postby Lokutus » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 18:36:07

What will arrive first? Peak Oil or the Second Coming? My money is now on the latter.
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Political Dissidents To Work Tar Sands Labor Camp

Unread postby MD » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 15:20:14

The latest Halliburton venture will produce 1500 barrels per day of tar sands crude using prison labor from the overflowing political dissident camps south fo the border, news sources in Calgary report. Word is the output will be delivered directly to the Jackson Wyoming estate of the current Chinese Premier.

Meanwhile, terrorist attacks on the new LNG terminals have disrupted US gas supplies once again. Conservation groups claim sighting military vehicles just prior to the first explosion, but reports cannot be confirmed as the group has been detained by the North East military tribunal.
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Re: Political Dissidents To Work Tar Sands Labor Camp

Unread postby gampy » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 16:21:34

What a fun idea, future news reports. I think we all enjoy doom porn.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Canadian Free Press June 1, 2021

Blackmarket pharmaceutical trade increases

With the recent move by the current U.S. military junta to close all eastern ports to European shipping traffic, European aid shipments to the continent will be delayed by up to a year. Many people already have been forced to purchase their insulin, anti-biotics and other necessary prescriptions from physicans who supplement their incomes from black marketeering in medicine.
While the Homeland Defense Council stresses these closures of the ports are necessary to prevent the terrible violence we have seen lately as a result of the refugee crisis, the lack of food, medicine and fuel aid from Europe will probably do more to increase the crisis.
Already, 75% of the population has little to no access to the pharmaceutical supply remaining.
Physicians and hospitals are trying to cope as best they can, but having to implement the so called "Medicine Triage" has put a great strain on the already overburdened health system.
Dr. Shav Rajar from the Toronto Hospital for Sick Cjildren told us,
"It's pretty hard on us all, having to choose who gets the medications. We no longer treat terminally ill patients. Even the analgesics are starting to run out. Yes, many of the physicians here are looking for novel approaches to this problem, including looking at the black market. Although only the richest patients benefit from that. It's sad really. I thought Iraq in 1995 under sanctions was bad. This is worse."
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Halliburton to move HQ to Dubai

Unread postby Twilight » Sun 11 Mar 2007, 18:05:26

Makes sense, why pretend any other area is going to be important in the coming years?

Source: BBC

I like these comments:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dave Lesar, CEO', 'I') will continue to spend quite a bit of time in an airplane

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Yes, I will spend the majority of my time in Dubai.

That's where the action will be when the rest of the world is stripper wells. Data can be anything, but actions are real.
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Re: Halliburton to move HQ to Dubai

Unread postby Kingcoal » Sun 11 Mar 2007, 18:10:14

I wouldn't be surprised if the entire Bush entourage escaped to Dubai in the coming years.
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