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THE Democrat Thread Pt. 7
Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 7
by theluckycountry » Fri 19 Nov 2021, 22:15:03
I was going to post a quote from the WEF and relate it to the solution of the limits to growth dilemma, but then I realized this is a political thread. I'll save it for elsewhere.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 7
by Outcast_Searcher » Sat 20 Nov 2021, 16:57:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I')t is time to look at the difference between what the Democrats say they will do and the actual results.
Bernie and the rest of the progressives say they want to improve things for the 'little guy' and create equal opportunity for all.
In ten months they have delivered a dollar a gallon increase in gas and fuel oil prices along with increased food and rent prices and an overall inflation that exceeds the more modest increase in wages.
They have flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of 'undocumented' (ie. illegal) immigrants that are un-vaccinated and have a ten percent positive covid-19 rate and paid to have them flown all over the country in what can be described as the biggest super spreader event ever.
Mixed in with these 'refugees' are a percentage of MS-13 gang members and others that are bringing in fentanyl by the ton and have caused over 100,000 overdose deaths this year along with increased crime rates nationwide.
Then we have the disastrous retreat from Afghanistan making decades of sacrifices made by the 'little guys' sons and daughters a complete waste, and doing so in a way that has destroyed the USA's credibility worldwide increasing the likelihood of aggressive actions by China and Russia with no plan or policy in place to check them.
Then we Have Joe Biden that promised no increase in taxes for anyone making $400k or less and would get the rich to "Pay their fair share".
Is a dollar paid in taxes a different color then a dollar paid at the gas pump or the grocery store?
And now the bill passed in the house last night raised the deduction from $10,000 dollars to $80,000 giving all those 'rich' people an average $50,000 tax cut while giving nothing to those making a low enough salary to not owe more then $10,000 in State and local taxes.
What is "fair" about that.
A couple more years of the Democrats 'Helping out the little guy' and they will all be homeless or under Chinese rule.
Bernie and the rest of the progressives say they want to improve things for the 'little guy' and create equal opportunity for all.
In ten months they have delivered a dollar a gallon increase in gas and fuel oil prices along with increased food and rent prices and an overall inflation that exceeds the more modest increase in wages.
They have flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of 'undocumented' (ie. illegal) immigrants that are un-vaccinated and have a ten percent positive covid-19 rate and paid to have them flown all over the country in what can be described as the biggest super spreader event ever.
Mixed in with these 'refugees' are a percentage of MS-13 gang members and others that are bringing in fentanyl by the ton and have caused over 100,000 overdose deaths this year along with increased crime rates nationwide.
Then we have the disastrous retreat from Afghanistan making decades of sacrifices made by the 'little guys' sons and daughters a complete waste, and doing so in a way that has destroyed the USA's credibility worldwide increasing the likelihood of aggressive actions by China and Russia with no plan or policy in place to check them.
Then we Have Joe Biden that promised no increase in taxes for anyone making $400k or less and would get the rich to "Pay their fair share".
Is a dollar paid in taxes a different color then a dollar paid at the gas pump or the grocery store?
And now the bill passed in the house last night raised the deduction from $10,000 dollars to $80,000 giving all those 'rich' people an average $50,000 tax cut while giving nothing to those making a low enough salary to not owe more then $10,000 in State and local taxes.
What is "fair" about that.
A couple more years of the Democrats 'Helping out the little guy' and they will all be homeless or under Chinese rule.
As a moderate, I'll just say that I think BOTH sides tend to blame the other side quickly for everything, including things that aren't their fault, especially in the short run.
I absolutely agree about the SALT tax deduction going from $10K to $80K being absolutely outrageous. I don't think we should raise them at all, but they want to have more of a deduction for the upper middle class, then even in expensive cities, a $20K limit would make a LOT more sense than an $80K limit. NO ONE is FORCING people to live in mansions, etc. That high limit is mostly protecting the 1%.
I also agree about the $400K line for raising taxes. Something more like $100K as upper middle class would make far more sense for where to draw the line.
As it is, the bottom 50% only pay about TWO percent of the entire income tax burden. And the $100K limit wouldn't come near to touching that. But if you can't make it on $400K, then LIVE DIFFERENTLY, or LIVE SOMEWHERE CHEAPER for crying out loud.
WE NEED more revenue, given all the services voters want. If they WANT the services, then ALL the upper middle income folks, and part of the middle class, actually, should help PAY for such services. Money doesn't grow on trees, no matter how many times liberals like to pretend it does, re social programs.
And I also agree that the term "fair" is entirely inappropriate for such decisions. "Fair" is mostly childish whining to try and push one's agenda, not a word for adults to try to objectively describe anything of substance. I grind my teeth every time I read or see that from the left as a justification to raise taxes on the most productive people in the US.
I agree on the undocumented immigrants problem, BUT, given that the GOP and its backers are completely against any kind of workable scheme to ensure workers have VALID ID's for US jobs, bank accounts, etc. -- they're NOT helping solve the problem either -- just yelling about it. So both sides own that one, even though they talk about it differently to try to buy votes on their side.
The pandemic and the distortions it caused re the economy isn't anyone's fault. Remember, that started under Trump, and the tone and substance for throwing money at it was geared up under Trump. So the inflation is BOTH sides' fault, and may be mostly unavoidable, given the random nature of pandemics, re timing. (We likely NEED to overspend during some economic emergencies which is why a balanced budget, or preferably a surplus SHOULD be REQUIRED when there isn't such an emergency (i.e. in all relatively "normal" economic years).
Also, how is a change in short term oil prices the Dem's fault? Long term, if they suppress drilling, etc, they own much of that. But short term, prices rose significantly in 2020 under Trump, and there hasn't been enough time for meaningful policy to have a big impact on what OPEC can charge or when producers decide to go full steam ahead again (and mainly, they're waiting on even higher prices). And BTW, I give Biden -10,000 points for whining to the Saudis about oil prices, as though that is acceptable or means anything. That's pure D vote buying propaganda, and I HATE behavior like that (and both sides engage in it over time).
Oh, and I hate Bernie, Warren, AOC, and that whole far left clown-fest, as far as their ECONOMIC policies, generally. Whining and screeching isn't the way to make policy (though, again, it seems to buy plenty of votes, over time).
And finally, the Afghanistan mess. Well, that was caused by the GOP, pushing for the wars, and refusing to ever stop, and wasting $trillions along the way. So we were supposed to just NEVER get out, no matter what? So you LIKE huge government spending? To me, the fact that it went bad so quickly is primarily a sign of HOW FOOLISH it was to ever be over there in the first place. WTH do we pay the CIA, military intelligence, etc. so much for, when what they produce over time is so pitifully inaccurate, re predictions the military relies on?
And finally, complaining about anything related to the dems re Covid-19 is pretty amusing, given what Trump did overall re that problem, and how the GOP has generally been the heart of bad behavior, science denial, and helping make the problem worse for the US.
(And again, I'm against the toleration of so many illegal / undocumented workers, and the dems' tolerance of all the economic problems they cause. I don't give a damn about what people look like, but just blatantly ignoring set of laws X because you don't like them is COMPLETELY unacceptable -- from either party). Unless, of course, what you want is lots of scofflaws for citizens, which far too many police and politicians already set HORRIBLE examples for -- and we should be jailing THEM instead of people with, say, a small amount of weed.)
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 7
by vtsnowedin » Sat 20 Nov 2021, 17:27:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')I also agree about the $400K line for raising taxes. Something more like $100K as upper middle class would make far more sense for where to draw the line.
As it is, the bottom 50% only pay about TWO percent of the entire income tax burden. And the $100K limit wouldn't come near to touching that. But if you can't make it on $400K, then LIVE DIFFERENTLY, or LIVE SOMEWHERE CHEAPER for crying out loud.
')I also agree about the $400K line for raising taxes. Something more like $100K as upper middle class would make far more sense for where to draw the line.
As it is, the bottom 50% only pay about TWO percent of the entire income tax burden. And the $100K limit wouldn't come near to touching that. But if you can't make it on $400K, then LIVE DIFFERENTLY, or LIVE SOMEWHERE CHEAPER for crying out loud.
How about not raising taxes at all and cutting spending to meet the record inflows that are coming in.
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And finally, the Afghanistan mess. Well, that was caused by the GOP, pushing for the wars, and refusing to ever stop, and wasting $trillions along the way. So we were supposed to just NEVER get out, no matter what? So you LIKE huge government spending? To me, the fact that it went bad so quickly is primarily a sign of HOW FOOLISH it was to ever be over there in the first place. WTH do we pay the CIA, military intelligence, etc. so much for, when what they produce over time is so pitifully inaccurate, re predictions the military relies on?
Wanting to get out of Afghanistan was pretty much universal. It was the disastrous execution of it that was the problem. They could have withdrawn in good order province by province taking all their equipment and allies with them. And don't say Biden was bound by any timeline or rules negotiated by Trump as Biden has had no problem undoing anything Trump put in place working or not.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 7
by yellowcanoe » Sat 20 Nov 2021, 21:12:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')How about not raising taxes at all and cutting spending to meet the record inflows that are coming in.
')How about not raising taxes at all and cutting spending to meet the record inflows that are coming in.
The US is in too deep a hole financially to be able to manage only by cutting spending. Sure, I see politicians in Canada claim they can balance the budget without raising taxes. Of course the balancing will only come after several decades and requires that during that time period economic growth will retain robust, and there won't be any big financial crisis, natural disasters, pandemics or wars. Highly unlikely in any case.
"new housing construction" is spelled h-a-b-i-t-a-t d-e-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-o-n.
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