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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby shady28 » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 20:08:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'G')iven how the book was written in 2005, frankly anyone could see the financial crisis was going to happen. Debt levels were skyrocketing, and all of it just looked like a big bubble. I suppose one prediction out of four is ok
Anyone could have predicted the financial crisis in 2005? Really? Is that why all the TV pundits were laughing at Peter Schiff's predictions? Now they listen to his every word attentively.

That's because TV pundits are journalists, and finance managers know only the mechanisms of the market not the psychology or economics of the market. Hence, they are doomed to constantly follow the herd.

When the market bottoms - and it will, as it has always done in the past - the psychology will be reversed completely. The herd will be 90% doomers.

Banks will not be trusted, anyone who touches a stock will be considered a fool, the only solid investments will be cash, treasuries and precious metals.

In the midst of all the doomer sites and doomer news, you'll find a few places where people are objective and see a brighter future on the horizon. They will be rare as this site was 3 or 4 years ago. Those will be the winners in the new era.

This is all a few years off though, between now and then the objective is survival and capital preservation :)
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby patience » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 20:12:14

All that "loose money" looks to be fleeing to US Treasuries at the moment. Hm. Treasury bubble? Then what, a cash bubble, when T's get shaky? Lookin' for love in all the wrong places, huh?

RE: "...all a few years off..."
I'm not so sure it's that far out. The Fed is already buying Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, and FHLB bonds = printing money. And the Chinese are getting desperate with their economy tanking, so T's could be hard to sell next year, once the herd gets their head around all that. Arabs aren't too flush now, either. Maybe we can sell T's to Somali Pirates?
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 16:28:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o my knowledge he never claimed that the financial bubble was due to peak oil.
No, but IIRC he did say the credit crunch was a result of PO.

I never heard him say that. PO might have contributed to the crunch, but that's different than saying it is the sole cause of the crunch. Link?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he price goes up when the economy looks good,
Not always. In the mid 90's the economy was very good, yet oil prices were flat. In the late 90's the economy was the best it had been in decades, and oil prices went DOWN. Besides, after 2001 the economy was kind of coming along, but nothing like what it was in the 90's.

You're missing my point - now that Peak Oil has arrived, oil prices go up when the economy looks good and go down when the economy looks bad. That's because when supply is so tight then demand is the primary variable that actually varies. So, to reiterate:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd the high oil prices were not due to speculation. The price goes up when the economy looks good, it goes down when the economy looks bad. If and when the economy tries to limp out of this recession, prices will skyrocket once again and the economy will be smacked down again. The real question isn't why have prices fallen; the question is, if peak oil isn't real then why haven't prices fallen even farther? Here we are on the verge of a second great depression and oil is still around $40/barrel. But when the economy was booming in the 90's oil was 10-20$. Really we should be seeing oil sink to less than $10 if supply constraints were not a factor.
Campbell underscored that Peak Oil means the end of growth. This is what is happening.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Carlhole » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 20:16:20

Fareed Zakaria: Former ISI Head In Pakistan Says 911 Was An Inside Job

Apparently, the former head of Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, has the same perspective on 911 as does Colin Campbell of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CNN', 'A')sked by Zakaria, “What is your hunch as to who did - who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks?,” Gul responded, “Well, I have been on record, and I said it is the Zionists or the neocons. They have done it. It was an inside job.”

“And they wanted to go on the world conquerors. They were looking upon it as an opportunity window, when the Muslim world was lying prostrate. Russia was nowhere in sight. China was still not an economic giant that is has turned out to be.”

“And they thought that this was a good time to go and fill those strategic areas, which are still lying without any American presence. And, of course, to control the energy tap of the world.”

“Presently, it is the Middle East, and in future it is going to be Central Asia,” added Gul.

Gul told Zakaria that the evidence for 9/11 being planned by Osama Bin Laden and executed by Al-Qaeda has not emerged and that the events are still “shrouded in mystery”.

“A lot of people have a lot of misgivings about that. And it’s not only me. I think a lot of people in America would be thinking the same way. There are scientists, there are scholars, who have written articles on it,” added Gul, calling for President elect Barack Obama to set up a new commission to investigate the attacks.

Gul said the attacks were planned inside America by people with a dangerous agenda who have “turned the world upside-down”.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby outcast » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 00:03:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') never heard him say that. PO might have contributed to the crunch, but that's different than saying it is the sole cause of the crunch. Link?

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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 00:05:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'M')ost people know 911 was an inside job by now.

David Icke's Lizardmen Illuminati blew up the World Trade Center. :-D
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 00:10:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'M')ost people know 911 was an inside job by now.
David Icke's Lizardmen Illuminati blew up the World Trade Center. :-D

No lizzard men, just the international banking cartel such as the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and their banking buddies.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 00:25:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') never heard him say that. PO might have contributed to the crunch, but that's different than saying it is the sole cause of the crunch. Link?
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What's wrong with what he said there? Certainly he didn't say that Peak Oil is the sole reason for all financial collapses, only that when people finally do understand that Peak Oil has arrived, then that realization will cause a financial collapse. This is why he continually says that it is not the precise date of peak that matters, it is the "Vision of the Long Decline". It is a truism that when people understand that future growth is not possible, fewer loans will be made and existing loans will be called in, and the money supply will contract. No one will loan to a business that won't grow and thus can't provide a return on investment. Some of this realization may or may not have contributed to the current collapse, even if that realization is not the only factor. More importantly, it will contribute to the next collapse, when the world starts to climb out of this mess and realizes that it can't do so because the energy supplies to power growth just don't exist. Which is to say that as bad as things are so far, they will be far, far worse when the system finally realizes that future growth isn't possible.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 03:45:30

Shouldn't it be : "Colin Campbell's <B>Canny</B> Prediction" ?
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Mesuge » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 06:47:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'M')ost people know 911 was an inside job by now.
David Icke's Lizardmen Illuminati blew up the World Trade Center. :-D

Very uninformed and stupid type of comment, at least in the light of professional critique by the "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" which is out there for several years already, being preceeded by the same analysis of controlled demolition voiced by top scientists at ETH in Switzerland etc.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 09:54:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'M')ost people know 911 was an inside job by now.
David Icke's Lizardmen Illuminati blew up the World Trade Center. :-D
No lizzard men, just the international banking cartel such as the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and their banking buddies.

No really, the Lizards did it. It all makes sense. Just prove me wrong if you can. :P
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby niknak » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 10:09:52

The lizard stuff is bogus shill speak anyone who talks lizards is a red herring site to distract or mock anyone with the truth.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 13:02:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'S')houldn't it be : "Colin Campbell's <B>Canny</B> Prediction" ?

Canny - showing self-interest and shrewdness in dealing with others.

Uncanny - surpassing the ordinary or normal

I think I used the word "uncanny" in a proper way, thank you.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 13:44:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('niknak', 'T')hey really exist and they hae run the world for 4000 years, and they are planning to kill you. Don't believe it, fine, have a nice life, for a few months.

I'm taking that as a Bold Prediction. :)

What constitutes "a few months"?
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby outcast » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 16:47:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's wrong with what he said there? Certainly he didn't say that Peak Oil is the sole reason for all financial collapses, only that when people finally do understand that Peak Oil has arrived, then that realization will cause a financial collapse.

Peak debt has already caused a financial collapse.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is why he continually says that it is not the precise date of peak that matters, it is the "Vision of the Long Decline".

Oh really? I thought it was because his predictions were always wrong, but there you go.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ery uninformed and stupid type of comment,

Not really given that David Icke is one of the conspiracy theorist superstars, and he has stated on many occasions that he believes reptilians have taken over key government institutions.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 23:35:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's wrong with what he said there? Certainly he didn't say that Peak Oil is the sole reason for all financial collapses, only that when people finally do understand that Peak Oil has arrived, then that realization will cause a financial collapse.
Peak debt has already caused a financial collapse.

So what? 1) He never said that a financial collapse could not occur for reasons independent of Peak Oil. 2) Peak Oil will prolong this financial collapse, or cause the next one if we ever manage to claw our way out of this one. 3) His quote in the OP talks about impending financial collapse without even mentioning peak oil.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is why he continually says that it is not the precise date of peak that matters, it is the "Vision of the Long Decline".

Oh really? I thought it was because his predictions were always wrong, but there you go.

Do we have to start this conversation over from the beginning? So he was off by ten years: BFD.
Look, are you arguing against Colin Campbell or are you arguing against Peak Oil?
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby outcast » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 10:52:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o we have to start this conversation over from the beginning? So he was off by ten years: BFD.
Look, are you arguing against Colin Campbell or are you arguing against Peak Oil?

I'm arguing revisionist history and prophets of doom who constantly readjust their prophecies and when they finally get it right after x number of revisions they say "see, I was right all along".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o what? 1) He never said that a financial collapse could not occur for reasons independent of Peak Oil. 2) Peak Oil will prolong this financial collapse, or cause the next one if we ever manage to claw our way out of this one. 3) His quote in the OP talks about impending financial collapse without even mentioning peak oil.

It seemed to me the he implied it was happen because of peak oil, but maybe that was just my interpretation.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 14:40:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o we have to start this conversation over from the beginning? So he was off by ten years: BFD.
Look, are you arguing against Colin Campbell or are you arguing against Peak Oil?

I'm arguing revisionist history and prophets of doom who constantly readjust their prophecies and when they finally get it right after x number of revisions they say "see, I was right all along".


It's not worth starting this over again - I've said how I see it. If he loses credit in your eyes because he drew attention to the singular most important event in human history but was off by ten years, then go with that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o what? 1) He never said that a financial collapse could not occur for reasons independent of Peak Oil. 2) Peak Oil will prolong this financial collapse, or cause the next one if we ever manage to claw our way out of this one. 3) His quote in the OP talks about impending financial collapse without even mentioning peak oil.

It seemed to me the he implied it was happen because of peak oil, but maybe that was just my interpretation.


He did say Peak Oil would cause a collapse, he didn't say that a collapse couldn't occur because of other factors.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby Starvid » Thu 11 Dec 2008, 15:43:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('niknak', 'N')ot uncanny. The iluminaty know what their friends plans are nothing about predicting, they know what is going to happen because they caused it, or planned to cause it.
The lizard stuff is bogus shill speak anyone who talks lizards is a red herring site woned by the maphi ptb leaders to make the illuminaty sound fictitous and rediculous.
They really exist and they hae run the world for 4000 years, and they are planning to kill you.
Don't believe it, fine, have a nice life, frr a few months.

I just love you guys. All hail the great illuminati lizard lord maphi ptb! :-D

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More on the subject at hand. When I spoke to Colin Campbell (I'm one of the red lizards, herrings I mean) he told me that he thought the stock markets would crash. Not because of the credit crisis (which hadn't broken out yet, this was sometime in Mars or April 2007) but because he thought we would eventually have an oil crisis which would cause an economic crisis, make corporate profits plunge and hence crash the stock market.

He also told me some stuff about growing up in WW2 Britain.
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Re: Colin Campbell's Uncanny Prediction Of Financial Collaps

Unread postby outcast » Fri 12 Dec 2008, 00:49:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen I spoke to Colin Campbell (I'm one of the red lizards, herrings I mean) he told me that he thought the stock markets would crash. Not because of the credit crisis (which hadn't broken out yet, this was sometime in Mars or April 2007) but because he thought we would eventually have an oil crisis which would cause an economic crisis,


That pretty much settles it, he did believe it would happen because of PO.
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