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THE Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) Thread (merged)
by AnnaLivia » Sat 05 Mar 2005, 16:31:49
Hannity would never support any energy system that wasn't top-down controlled. he adores and emotively supports the centralization/concentration of power. he is a social darwinist and the essential pillar of his flying-monkey philosophy is essential cheap-labor. any bottom-up system that put power in the hands/lives of people (like a solar panel on your house) is off his radar because it's kryptonite to his ilk.
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by WebHubbleTelescope » Sat 05 Mar 2005, 16:37:29
After hearing this particular Hannity radio show segment myself, I blogged about it on Friday: link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Cuckoo Times Two: My previous post singled out a physics professor for trying to popularize or at least legitimize the theory of abiogenic/abiotic sources of oil. In retrospect, I should have added that too many popular accounts of science and technology fall way short in substance. Of course it has something to do with our limited collective attention span and publishers need for sales. Sadly, the professor's book probably fed the appetite of Art Bell fans, and thus likely had enough sales to keep the publisher happy.
Well, today we have the real cuckoos coming out to roost and displaying their own truly misguided theories. On his radio show, Sean Hannity said some incredibly stupid things about America's future energy independence. Baited cleverly by a guest caller (none other than Air America's Robert Kennedy Jr. ), Hannity proceeded to list how the USA could lessen its dependence on mideast oil. Hold on to your horses, as he declared these as promising sites for oil independence:
1. Coast of California
2. Coast of Florida
3. The Great Lakes
4. "ANWAR" (i.e. Arctic National Wildlife Refuge)
5. All of our National Parks
To back up his arguments, he declared that exploration rigs can coexist peaceably with wilderness. (I wanted to scream at the radio -- Dude, that's not the point! Hannity should really take a look at the wildlife sanctuary along the Orange County coastline of Huntington Beach. Lots of old stripper wells coexisting nicely with wildlife .... so where's our independence oh Great American Sean?)
He then tried to counter-bait Kennedy by discussing the Kennedy clan's NIMBY resistance to windmills off of Cape Cod. Of course, Kennedy did not take the bait and humorously hung up on Hannity.
So the #1 cuckoo Insanity Hannity next decided to ask his #2 ace-in-the-hole kook Newt Gingrich for his take on American oil independence. Without batting an eye, Newt spewt this inanity:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')aving recently spoken with former Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham, I believe that hydrogen-based fuel will be the answer to our future energy needs (Ed.: or words to that effect)
please put me out of my misery$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Cuckoo Times Two: My previous post singled out a physics professor for trying to popularize or at least legitimize the theory of abiogenic/abiotic sources of oil. In retrospect, I should have added that too many popular accounts of science and technology fall way short in substance. Of course it has something to do with our limited collective attention span and publishers need for sales. Sadly, the professor's book probably fed the appetite of Art Bell fans, and thus likely had enough sales to keep the publisher happy.
Well, today we have the real cuckoos coming out to roost and displaying their own truly misguided theories. On his radio show, Sean Hannity said some incredibly stupid things about America's future energy independence. Baited cleverly by a guest caller (none other than Air America's Robert Kennedy Jr. ), Hannity proceeded to list how the USA could lessen its dependence on mideast oil. Hold on to your horses, as he declared these as promising sites for oil independence:
1. Coast of California
2. Coast of Florida
3. The Great Lakes
4. "ANWAR" (i.e. Arctic National Wildlife Refuge)
5. All of our National Parks
To back up his arguments, he declared that exploration rigs can coexist peaceably with wilderness. (I wanted to scream at the radio -- Dude, that's not the point! Hannity should really take a look at the wildlife sanctuary along the Orange County coastline of Huntington Beach. Lots of old stripper wells coexisting nicely with wildlife .... so where's our independence oh Great American Sean?)
He then tried to counter-bait Kennedy by discussing the Kennedy clan's NIMBY resistance to windmills off of Cape Cod. Of course, Kennedy did not take the bait and humorously hung up on Hannity.
So the #1 cuckoo Insanity Hannity next decided to ask his #2 ace-in-the-hole kook Newt Gingrich for his take on American oil independence. Without batting an eye, Newt spewt this inanity:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')aving recently spoken with former Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham, I believe that hydrogen-based fuel will be the answer to our future energy needs (Ed.: or words to that effect)
Update: A caller to Hannity's show presented his theory on the popularity of SUV's and trucks. In his mind, the role of people like Ralph Nader and Robert Kennedy Jr. in introducing fuel efficiency standards such as CAFE on passenger cars caused consumers to flock to the behemoths. Without these eco-nuts applying their form of fascist indoctrination, apparently we would have long ago advanced to better fuel efficiency vehicles through free market mechanisms. (waves index finger rapidly in circles around ear)
Hannity also professed his displeasure with the Prius, and took more potshots at people like Kennedy driving to awards ceremonies in stretch limos. Hannity, what a lamo you are.
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ANWR
by hoplite » Sat 05 Mar 2005, 23:26:20
The comment about ANWR (that its the equivalent of 30 years of Saudi imports) is COMPLETE bullshit but nevertheless the corporamedia keeps saying it- even though the the DOE's own rosy reserve estimates are 1/10 of what the Saudis have...But since the poor and stupide of this country dont question them I guess they can keep saying it- the leprechaun is a pathological liar!
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by 0mar » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 02:30:52
ANWR's maximum output is about 800,000 to 1,000,000 bpd and that would be 20 years from today (10 years to bring online, 10 years to reach peak).
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by Chicagoan » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 06:08:10
What really makes me mad are all the sheep who parrot this guy, and others like him, and will not listen to anyone who disagrees. That is why America is in such trouble. The media can tell Americans outright lies, and some people take it as the absolute truth. As the shit hits the fan, these morons will continue to blame "liberals".
The Democrats are not much better. They will continue to blame Bush and the oil companies, and will see peak oil as another vast right-wing conspiracy. (Oil companies made it up to increase their profits.)
The Democrats are not much better. They will continue to blame Bush and the oil companies, and will see peak oil as another vast right-wing conspiracy. (Oil companies made it up to increase their profits.)
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Re: Sean Hannity solved our energy dilemna on the radio toda
by JayHMorrison » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 08:14:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rerere', 'O')h, and the ANWR was ment to be the reserve to keep the Navy operational.
I think you are referring to the National Petroleum Reserve of Alaska (NPR-A). That area is west of the North Slope. ANWR is east of the North Slope.
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by AnnaLivia » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 10:07:38
To hoplite and Chicagoan, hello.
We must ask ourselves, "Did the people fall, or were they pushed?"
Yes, who controls the media controls the nation to a large degree. Cheap-labor "conservatives" know this well. (why else did colin powell's son work for the further concentration of ownership/domination of presses and the public's airwaves?)
mainstream media has abdicated its rightful responsibility to inform the public without bias. (so go read Sam Smith on the web at Progressive Review.) Hannity is a partisan flaming hack with extremely little resemblance to a true journalist, yet he reaches a big audience with his lies and propaganda. he and his money-masters are the pushers, and they have, by successfully implementing their cheap-labor agenda, precipitated the fall of the people. the organizational machine they have been gearing up for 40 years is quite an effective piece of work. they have joe sixpack right where they want him; over a barrel, competing for jobs they themselves make scarce, and too busy running the rat race against his brothers to question them, and to understand the human consequences of their policies.
on TV you will hear the 'hawks' and 'doves' debate things like whether to go to war without a coalition, or how many troops are needed, etc., without ever hearing the big-picture view that the war will solve nothing and only enrich the worst capitalists. there becomes an "allowable debate"..."allowable thoughts", and other thoughts are in this way further pushed outside the viewer's consciousness. (kill your TV before it kills you.) (although i'd really rather just use mine wisely.)
we must live in this world with billions of people who are both like us and not. each of us is large; each of us contains multitudes. therefore, each of us has our own "mental junkyard" from which we build things...ideas. a flying monkey like Hannity puts truly useless or even poisonous scraps in some people's junkyard.
falling? ....or pushing?
we on the left can use our strength to either beat people up....or lift them up. yes, i am as frustrated as you two with uninformed and especially uninterested "joes", but we need a majority in order to win positive changes. would seem wise to me to court joe more effectively, than to bash him. i don't think we'll win him over by spanking him, even if he really might deserve it, is what i'm saying.
We must ask ourselves, "Did the people fall, or were they pushed?"
Yes, who controls the media controls the nation to a large degree. Cheap-labor "conservatives" know this well. (why else did colin powell's son work for the further concentration of ownership/domination of presses and the public's airwaves?)
mainstream media has abdicated its rightful responsibility to inform the public without bias. (so go read Sam Smith on the web at Progressive Review.) Hannity is a partisan flaming hack with extremely little resemblance to a true journalist, yet he reaches a big audience with his lies and propaganda. he and his money-masters are the pushers, and they have, by successfully implementing their cheap-labor agenda, precipitated the fall of the people. the organizational machine they have been gearing up for 40 years is quite an effective piece of work. they have joe sixpack right where they want him; over a barrel, competing for jobs they themselves make scarce, and too busy running the rat race against his brothers to question them, and to understand the human consequences of their policies.
on TV you will hear the 'hawks' and 'doves' debate things like whether to go to war without a coalition, or how many troops are needed, etc., without ever hearing the big-picture view that the war will solve nothing and only enrich the worst capitalists. there becomes an "allowable debate"..."allowable thoughts", and other thoughts are in this way further pushed outside the viewer's consciousness. (kill your TV before it kills you.) (although i'd really rather just use mine wisely.)
we must live in this world with billions of people who are both like us and not. each of us is large; each of us contains multitudes. therefore, each of us has our own "mental junkyard" from which we build things...ideas. a flying monkey like Hannity puts truly useless or even poisonous scraps in some people's junkyard.
falling? ....or pushing?
we on the left can use our strength to either beat people up....or lift them up. yes, i am as frustrated as you two with uninformed and especially uninterested "joes", but we need a majority in order to win positive changes. would seem wise to me to court joe more effectively, than to bash him. i don't think we'll win him over by spanking him, even if he really might deserve it, is what i'm saying.
"O hell, here comes our funeral. Let us pry....for our missed understandings."
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by Ludi » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 10:14:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ould seem wise to me to court joe more effectively, than to bash him
Do you have any ideas about how to do that? I find it's difficult enough to introduce new ideas to the people on this very messageboard, who are presumeably more open to them than some other people are.
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