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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 11:58:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', 'T')here's no way we would agree to a currency union with the United States, let alone Mexico.

If you still insist that Canada might have some independent policy, I will have to report you to Cashmere. :-D :-D :-D


He'll only try to tell me that Europe is just a figment of my imagination or something.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 11:59:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Typo', 'I') don't think the Amero will happen because the name sounds completely retarded. Come up with a better one and then maybe I'll approve it.

What about pan American peso?


How about "columbucks"?
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Delphis » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 12:34:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Typo', 'I') don't think the Amero will happen because the name sounds completely retarded. Come up with a better one and then maybe I'll approve it.


Don't kid yourself Type, it has already been approved and "we the people" had nothing to do with it. The agreement was drafted, approved, and will implemented without congress invloved...that should alarm you. But there is something you can do...research, learn, and disseminate the truth...

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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 14:12:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'D')on't kid yourself Type, it has already been approved


That's news to all of us up here who still have Queen Elizabeth II on the money. Or, I'm sorry, is she the one who's supposed to appear on the currency of this "amero"?

It hasn't happened, and it's not GOING to happen. There is NO way we're going to merge our currency with the US dollar. We didn't even do it back when it was worth something; we're certainly not going to do it now.

The first indication that anything like this is even potentially in the works will be a fixed exchange rate between the three currencies. But right now, they're all floating relative to one another. There's absolutely no basis for them to form a single currency, or even a mechanism to do so. Like, yeah... we're gonna dump the Bank of Canada and trust the US Federal Reserve Bank to look after OUR currency.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Delphis » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 16:52:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'D')on't kid yourself Type, it has already been approved


That's news to all of us up here who still have Queen Elizabeth II on the money. Or, I'm sorry, is she the one who's supposed to appear on the currency of this "amero"?

It hasn't happened, and it's not GOING to happen. There is NO way we're going to merge our currency with the US dollar. We didn't even do it back when it was worth something; we're certainly not going to do it now.
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I assumption you are making is that all of you up there have something to say in the matter, your also assuming that RBC, BMO, CIBC, TD Canada Trust, etc. are not involved in the web of deceit that includes MS, MER, JPM, and the likes of LEH and BSC (remember them?.) I would think that all of the countries people were coooooompletely on board for the European Union, no one asked any questions or had any dissonance LOL...

http://europa.eu/index_en.htm

You should checkout the link and of particular interest to you should be the "Institutions" Tab, hope your sitting down, or going back to sleep...but then again, I am sure you can still call the Amero a "Loonie" if it eases your pain.

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Oh, you may find the "Europa" sites motto "Europe is Fun!" a bit sophmoric, but "North America is Fun" is much more respectable, don't you think?
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 17:37:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'I') assumption you are making is that all of you up there have something to say in the matter, your also assuming that RBC, BMO, CIBC, TD Canada Trust, etc. are not involved in the web of deceit...


TD and CIBC couldn't even pull off a merger a few years ago because the Ministry of Finance said no, but you'd have us believe they control not only their own destinies but that of the country.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'Y')ou should checkout the link and of particular interest to you should be the "Institutions" Tab


I'm well aware of how the EU operates. I don't see how the existence of the EU bears in any way on your insistence there's a pending North American union. There ain't.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Delphis » Mon 22 Sep 2008, 23:48:17

My apologies for my absence, my skillset was needed in light of the bailout and such. My strong recommendation would be to google EU, NAU, or Illuminati and get as much information as possible. Your ignorance and/or feigned lack of knowledge is bewildering and not worthy of comment if you truly feel that way.

I welcome your questions, but not your righteous igdignation on a very important subject!

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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Micki » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 03:12:55

Maybe North America should adopt the Euro instead. They could perhaps rename it to Amuro.

Seriously, now we have seen that the entertainment, IT and financial industries aren't enough to allow the people of US to continue living at hight standard.
So it will come back to basics again. Like setting up a competative manufacturing industry.
So how do you compete with the well established manufacturing supernation China, where people often work 12hr days for a dollar an hour?
What ever the answer is, I am sure the American middle class aint going to like it.

Besides from that I am starting to doubt US want's Mexico part of a North American Union any longer. There will be plenty enough eager workers and Mexico can't even bring oil to the partnership.
Merger just with Canada? ...hm I don't see it now.
So bringing a new currency just for US would not make anything. The only salvation is if they link it to something of value. But as I see it, they can do that with the USD.

That doesn't mean they won't implement a NWO.
I am just suspecting it won't be via a North American union.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 10:00:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'M')y apologies for my absence, my skillset was needed in light of the bailout and such. My strong recommendation would be to google EU, NAU, or Illuminati and get as much information as possible. Your ignorance and/or feigned lack of knowledge is bewildering and not worthy of comment if you truly feel that way.


Look, I don't know about the mystic, arcane knowledge you seem to profess to know... Illuminati, huh? What, no Elders of Zion?... if Elvis was really an alien who kidnapped President Kennedy and replaced him by a clone so he could be assassinated by Liberace and the ghost of John Wilkes Booth, I'm not privy to that. Whatever. But I do know some common sense things you're conveniently overlooking.

If a North American Union is in the works, why is the US government making it HARDER for their own people and other North Americans to cross the border? Why is it going to take a passport a couple of years from now just to drive to Port Huron for a special on toothpaste if we're headed for a North American Union?

A union of the sort you describe would necessitate freedom of movement and labour relocation. Now tell me... seriously... do you really see the US Congress throwing the doors wide, hauling down the wall and the border checkpoints along the Arizona border and shouting (in Spanish) "Come and get it!"? Seriously?

We don't have freedom of movement in North America. We don't have continental labour rights. We don't have a common currency or even fixed exchange rates or a harmonized prime interest rate mechanism. We don't have a legislative body of any kind enacting, or even proposing, continental legislation, common practices, or common standards. What little we have in common is independently enacted in the interests of practicality. What's the big "proof" that always comes up when this gets rolling? Oh... they're building a highway. Common security concerns. Well, welcome to 1950.

Never mind sitting there like a flaccid walrus, moaning at us to google it. If you believe it, tell us why. Frankly, the link to Wikipedia was underwhelming.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby burtonridr » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 10:38:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '
')If a North American Union is in the works, why is the US government making it HARDER for their own people and other North Americans to cross the border? Why is it going to take a passport a couple of years from now just to drive to Port Huron for a special on toothpaste if we're headed for a North American Union?

A union of the sort you describe would necessitate freedom of movement and labour relocation.....

We don't have freedom of movement in North America.....


Sounds like a problem they have created... which they will create a solution to by creating the NAU.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 10:54:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'S')ounds like a problem they have created... which they will create a solution to by creating the NAU.


It isn't a "problem" unless you're someone in Mexico trying to get into the US for a job. If the US wants to open the doors to that, be my guest. It doesn't oblige us, though.

From what I understand, we'll be doing that with Europe instead.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Starvid » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 11:05:05

Like I wrote in another Amero thread:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t doesn't really make any sense.

The upside of a currency union is that it makes trade easier and cheaper.

The downside is that you can't set your own interest rate anymore.

The upside is only greater than the downside when inflation and unemployment are tightly coupled in the nations in the currency union and this only happens when the members of the union are on pretty much the same economic level and have their economies structured in pretty much the same way.

We have big problems with this in Europe (Germany and Nordics vs. Club Med and Ireland for example) so you can just imagine how disastrous it would be in the Americas.*

Sure, the US and Canada might work, but the US economy would dominate so completely the Canadians wouldn't be interested in joining.

We don't have that problem at all in Europe as no country, not even Germany, has such a hugely bigger economy than the rest of the pack.

Look at how close the non-Euro European interest rates are to the ECB rate, and the compare the US rates to those of Mexico, Brazil etc... :lol:
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby burtonridr » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 12:18:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'S')ounds like a problem they have created... which they will create a solution to by creating the NAU.


It isn't a "problem" unless you're someone in Mexico trying to get into the US for a job. If the US wants to open the doors to that, be my guest. It doesn't oblige us, though.

From what I understand, we'll be doing that with Europe instead.


Yea, in all honesty I dont see how they could make it work.... However our own lack of insider information could be how it will pass in front of our very eyes un-noticed.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby burtonridr » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 12:22:49

I wasnt really sure where to post this, but this music video kinda falls under the same theory about the NWO. Great video! Glad we arent the only ones who understand it and see it coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuK2A1ZqoWs
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 13:18:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'Y')ea, in all honesty I dont see how they could make it work....


Make what work? We could use some context here.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby burtonridr » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 15:48:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'Y')ea, in all honesty I dont see how they could make it work....


Make what work? We could use some context here.


Make the NAU work... I'm not even sure I can elaborate on that, I will have to do some thinking.

I can see how it could be done, but I have a hard time believing mexico or canada would sign on for something like this in the midst of this economic activity. But, that doesnt mean that with enough money and power it could not be successfully accomplished.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 17:54:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'I') can see how it could be done, but I have a hard time believing mexico or canada would sign on for something like this in the midst of this economic activity. But, that doesnt mean that with enough money and power it could not be successfully accomplished.


We didn't sign up for it when the US economy was going great guns under Clinton. It's hard to imagine a more favourable time to do so. If not then, not ever, it seems to me.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Delphis » Tue 23 Sep 2008, 18:28:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'M')y apologies for my absence, my skillset was needed in light of the bailout and such. My strong recommendation would be to google EU, NAU, or Illuminati and get as much information as possible. Your ignorance and/or feigned lack of knowledge is bewildering and not worthy of comment if you truly feel that way.


Look, I don't know about the mystic, arcane knowledge you seem to profess to know... Illuminati, huh? What, no Elders of Zion?... if Elvis was really an alien who kidnapped President Kennedy and replaced him by a clone so he could be assassinated by Liberace and the ghost of John Wilkes Booth, I'm not privy to that. Whatever. But I do know some common sense things you're conveniently overlooking.

Never mind sitting there like a flaccid walrus, moaning at us to google it. If you believe it, tell us why. Frankly, the link to Wikipedia was underwhelming.


Wow, I have been called a few names in my day but flaccid walrus certainly takes the cake! I didn't join the Peak Oil site to manage other peoples anger issues or thier insipid sense of patriotism and righteousness, and I do not profess to have any knowledge that you cannot access for yourself. The truth of the matter lies in the observer and from where I stand, quite a few things I said "no way that will happen" to not very long ago have happened, including but not limited to active military brigades patrolling our streets and camera's going up everywhere with no explanation. I have overheard local police having a laugh over coffee reminiscing over the inner-city tactical training the day before and the women carrying babies that tried to throw them off and how you have to watch for people trying to keep you from pulling the trigger.

You can jest about Elvis and the like but the discussion here is real, the consequences are real, and we s do still have time to do something about our relationship with our econom(ies), our environment (hope that is okay not to segregate between the US and Canada), and the energy source we will need to sustain ourselves going forward as oil takes it's curtain call.

Bottom line, if you don't thing the NAU is happening, you haven't opened your eyes wide enough. The notion that because you say something makes it true is a very curious phenomenon, if you were in the states, you would get on well with the current administration.

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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Nickel » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 07:52:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'B')ottom line, if you don't thing the NAU is happening, you haven't opened your eyes wide enough. The notion that because you say something makes it true is a very curious phenomenon, if you were in the states, you would get on well with the current administration.


No, the real bottom line is you haven't produced anything compelling. It's ironic for you to say "the notion that because you say something makes it true" when after all, you've produced nothing of substance. Just shooing us off to "google it" is pretty weak. Anybody can google up statements to the effect that the Earth is flat or that men walked with dinosaurs before the Flood, but that doesn't make it so.

I've already told you what I'd find compelling evidence: that negotiations are underway to create a single currency or at least a currency peg; a harmonization of interest rates at the federal level; free movement between countries, particularly with labour mobility rights; and some sort of permanent supra-national governing body. But none of that is in the works. You'll find a lot more articles about how many volts should be flowing through the fence along the US-Mexico border than you will about how to integrate surplus Mexican labour into the US economy.

I'm not the one who has to prove it won't happen, because that circumstance already exists; you're the one who has to prove it will. And I'm sorry, but just building a new highway to move goods north and south faster is no more proof of a pending North American Union than a pipeline from Calgary to Prince Rupert is proof that we're entering a "union" with the People's Republic of China.
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?

Postby Delphis » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 11:19:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'B')ottom line, if you don't thing the NAU is happening, you haven't opened your eyes wide enough. The notion that because you say something makes it true is a very curious phenomenon, if you were in the states, you would get on well with the current administration.


No, the real bottom line is you haven't produced anything compelling. It's ironic for you to say "the notion that because you say something makes it true" when after all, you've produced nothing of substance. Just shooing us off to "google it" is pretty weak. Anybody can google up statements to the effect that the Earth is flat or that men walked with dinosaurs before the Flood, but that doesn't make it so.

I've already told you what I'd find compelling evidence: that negotiations are underway to create a single currency or at least a currency peg; a harmonization of interest rates at the federal level; free movement between countries, particularly with labour mobility rights; and some sort of permanent supra-national governing body. But none of that is in the works. You'll find a lot more articles about how many volts should be flowing through the fence along the US-Mexico border than you will about how to integrate surplus Mexican labour into the US economy.

I'm not the one who has to prove it won't happen, because that circumstance already exists; you're the one who has to prove it will. And I'm sorry, but just building a new highway to move goods north and south faster is no more proof of a pending North American Union than a pipeline from Calgary to Prince Rupert is proof that we're entering a "union" with the People's Republic of China.


It may surprise you that the idea for the NAU came from a Canadian, one Herbert Gubel and his book The Case for the Amero can be found at your local book store, I would say to buy it online but you seem to have an aversion to being “shooed” toward objectivity.

http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/ ... on_01.html

Supporters of the NAU on your side of the border are numerous and they cite the rapid and sustained growth of your GDP as well as a sharp reduction in exchange transactions.

Opponents of the NAU on your side of the border share your reservation as well as giving the U.S. access to your resources and the question of Americans taking advantage of your socialized medicine, education system and the like.

Your PM(s), our President(s) and Mexico’s have been discussing the NAU and will continue to:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 821-3.html

Here’s a good one, scroll down to Shadow Government:

http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/125.html

A poll taken in 2001 found that over 50% of French speaking Canadians supported the NAU and 35% of English speaking Canucks did as well…

One more just for fun:

http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/menu-en.aspx

The bottom line is there is not unilateral support for the Amero or the NAU, but there doesn’t need to be, our government becomes more socialistic as we speak and that brings to light the fact that we have far more in common with Canada than previously thought.

Our government has been planning as “Martial Law” socio-fascist state for some time now and that brings to light that we have far more in common with Mexico than previously thought.

Lastly, to speak to your question as to why we would build up such infrastructure to protect our borders only to tear it all down…it is called the “create the problem” close, something our government, and governments in general do very, very well…

Ever heard of the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11, the war on terror.whew!

Whether they are after war, your money, or your resources, they will create the problem, they will solve it, and you will get the bill while they enjoy the profits…sleep well.
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