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Al Jazeera Not to Be Trusted

Unread postby Newbie » Sat 04 Sep 2004, 13:56:41

After reading a few posts recently about how the Aljazeera news organization provides "balanced" reporting (see earlier threads), particularly about peak oil.

I have made up my mind that Aljazeera's balanced reporting is a load of crap, and I will not believe their reporting in the future. Those that do can fuck off.

For those who have been following the absolutely horrifying siege in Beslan, Russia, and it's utter barbarity, and understand the full scope of what happened there, I'll provide this link for you to read between the lines how Aljazeera minimizes the fact that many, many children died becuse these insane, barbaric, inhuman, terrorists shot, blew up, killed hundreds of men, women, and children in a school! Words fail to express my outrage at the hostage-taker's depravity. All the world mourns with you, Beslan.

Now direct your anger to this reporting, which repeatedly suggests that the Russian response was the blame, and that these "fighters" only shot at kids trying to escape. My blood boils!

http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archi ... 0Siege.htm
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Re: AlJazeera Not to Be Trusted

Unread postby trespam » Sat 04 Sep 2004, 15:42:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newbie', ' ')Now direct your anger to this reporting, which repeatedly suggests that the Russian response was the blame, and that these "fighters" only shot at kids trying to escape. My blood boils!

You must have read a completely set of articles that were on the link before I read it. What I read seems quite similar to the reports I've read on any western press, including Fox news. What are you talking about? The reports describe how the terrorists were pretty much inhuman to the children, not even letting them drink water and shooting in the air if the children cried. The report on shooting of those that tried to escape makes the terrorists sound terrible.

It seems that you have a bias from which you are unable to release yourself. Please provide us with more concrete data to prove your point. So far, your example disproves your thesis. I'll give you a C for effort and an F for accomplishment.

What do others think. Am I missing something?
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Unread postby Soft_Landing » Sat 04 Sep 2004, 16:30:54

Newbie, I can only suggest you rethink your perspective. When approaching these problems, I actively strive for an open point of view, an actively seek to nullify bias.

I truly do not understand your complaint about al Jazeera. I think you are very much mistaken.

To be fair, I will never take ANYTHING i read at al Jazeera, or any other news source for that matter, at face value. One must always seek a convergence of opinion, multiple sources, etc. But on balance, I have found al Jazeera to be a remarkably good news source (against my expectations when first looking into it).
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Unread postby Leanan » Sat 04 Sep 2004, 16:42:29

Those are Reuters reports. I guess Al-Jazeera uses the same wire services as American news outlets.

What's on that page is no different than what appeared on American new web sites and in American newspapers.
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Unread postby Devil » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 04:21:01

CNN, Fox, BBC, whoever, and all the newspapers, they all publish the "news" that is most likely to sell their medium. They are all crap, if you define it as being biased in some way or another.
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Unread postby _sluimers_ » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 06:05:04

Will the real Al-jazeera pleaase stand up?

http://www.aljazeerah.info/
http://www.aljazeera.com/
http://english.aljazeera.net/

I wonder who owns the other two and for what purpose?
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Unread postby nigel » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 08:42:06

sluimers - good point. The headline 'Putin admits that killing 320 people ...was because of the tactics of Russian forces.' Is a total distortion of fact. The body of the text is more accurate. The fact that no one would have died at all if the Chechen Muslim fanatics hadn't kidnapped the predominanlty Orthodox Russian Christians in the first place is perhaps too much to admit in a headline. But the only way to get a balance from the press is to read several papers from different perspectives so I am not too surprised. Remember, there are people out there who actually believe the Jews crashed the planes into the twin towers.
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Unread postby Devil » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 08:48:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nigel', ' ')Remember, there are people out there who actually believe the Jews crashed the planes into the twin towers.


Why stop at the "Jews" (this is an imprecise word, with an implicit touch of racism in your post)? I understand that there are also some who believe the US administration engineered it, as well :-(
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Unread postby Licho » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 10:37:20

Err, it's not al-jazeera news network. Your original article is from al-jazeraaH, probably some kind of amateur "parasite"...

Web page of real Al-Jazeera is http://english.aljazeera.net/
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Unread postby nigel » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 11:43:24

Devil - Ha! Reporting other people's beliefs in a spirit of total disbelief is as far from rascist as one can get. Why indeed blame the Jews? My point exactly. And rascist against whom? Perhaps you mean anti-Arab? But then not all Arabs are Muslims, some are Christian and some perhaps Jews. Who knows? And since when has the word Jew - or Christian, Muslim or whatever been vague? Perhaps you are suffering from the current American fashion of political correctness gone mad or over sensitivity. At your age you should know better. The word Jew is hardly rascist' indeed it's something that believers are proud of in the way that proclaiming a person as being Moslem or Christitian might be seen as a compliment.

A portion of the Egyptian press blame 9/11 on a Jewish conspiracy - a conspiracy by Jews. I find this totally absurd for a number of reasons too obvious and boring to recite.

Political correctness is the enemy of open and honest argument and from someone who childishly tags themselves 'Devil' as some sort of simplistic joke - itself an insult to all those who believe in God - you obviously have your own problems which perhaps you should attend to. Have you not considered calling yourself 'Devil' might gratuitously upset certain religious groups? Perhaps that is your intention?

If you countenance the suggestion that the USA government or any other sane group of responsible human beings were behind 9/11 you are obviously a total fruitcake. Because some morons think the earth is flat does not mean they have to be taken seriously in any way at all. Clearly you disagree.
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Unread postby Newbie » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 13:46:59

Thank you all for your insight.

I stand corrected:

1) Multiple "Al-Jazeera's"

2) My own bias and anger at the tragedy.

I did, however, notice a significant difference in type (not actual fact discrepancies) of information in the link I provided at the time from all the other news reports I have read. Bias in media is more often selective reporting, than outright fabrication. That is, it kept talking about how Russia had promised not to use force, and maybe did, so maybe they were to blame. This, I have read from many other reports, is not the case. They didn't focus on how and how many of these people were slaughtered. (shudder) And I bristled at the thought of calling these particular terrorists "fighters" instead of what they really were: monsters.
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Unread postby Leanan » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 17:12:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ill the real Al-jazeera pleaase stand up?


Wow, I hadn't even noticed that. You really have to be careful online.

I did a "whois" on all three domain names, and they are owned by different people. (One in London, one in Georgia (U.S.), and one in California.) I suspect the .net is the real Al-Jazeera, and the others are imposters, bandwidth vampires, or something like that.
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Unread postby nigel » Mon 06 Sep 2004, 03:44:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')You really have to be careful online.


In more ways than one, it seems!
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THE Al Jazeera Thread (merged)

Unread postby Graeme » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 00:33:05

Al Jazeera Launches Global Broadcast Operation
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Arab broadcaster Al Jazeera frequently makes news when it reports news. The station has not only aired controversial interviews with terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden, but also top U.S. officials. On Wednesday, Al Jazeera expanded its operation with a new international English language channel. The organization declined a Voice of America request for a pre-launch interview, but provided some of the video for our story about Al Jazeera's involvement in free speech controversies.

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Re: Al Jazeera Launches Global Broadcast Operation

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 05:37:19

This is the way "terrorists" should work. Win the hearts and minds of the western population. And I'm being serious.
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Re: Al Jazeera Launches Global Broadcast Operation

Unread postby MD » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 06:05:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'T')his is the way "terrorists" should work. Win the hearts and minds of the western population. And I'm being serious.

Fully agreed, but it won't work. And I'm being cynical.
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Re: Al Jazeera Launches Global Broadcast Operation

Unread postby Doly » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 11:37:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'T')his is the way "terrorists" should work. Win the hearts and minds of the western population. And I'm being serious.

If "terrorists" win the hearts and minds of the people, they will stop being terrorists. That's a name only fit for those you hate.
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Re: Al Jazeera Launches Global Broadcast Operation

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 15:30:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'F')ully agreed, but it won't work. And I'm being cynical.

Maybe.. but people like "us" here are looking for a real news channel on the idiot box. Look at how many people love John Stewart who tells it as it is (but makes it appear like a comedy to keep the sheep ignorant).

Having an oppositely biased news station will do nothing but good things (if you like end times and anarchy like most of us here).
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Fox news VS AL Jazeera

Unread postby dukey » Sun 20 Jan 2008, 13:30:26

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Re: Fox news VS AL Jazeera

Unread postby mekrob » Sun 20 Jan 2008, 14:00:23

300 votes tallied and they are already predicting the winner. That takes some balls. And stupidity. But big balls as well. Probably located where their brains should be, or at least hearts.

But to be fair, I've spoken about the relative fairness of Al-Jazeera, but they've messed up dearly, as bad as Fox as done, with respect to Ron Paul (but it's not like Arabs can vote in our election).

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')#1608;جاء في المرتبة الثانية السيناتور عن أريزونا والمحارب السابق في فيتنام جون ماكين والليبرالي رون بول. وقد حصل كل منهما على 13% من الاصوات. ويفترض أن يمثل نيفادا في المؤتمر الوطني للجمهوريين 34 مندوبا.


Translated by Mekrob:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd coming in 2nd place were Joon Makeen, the Senator from Arizona and soldier in Vietnam War, and liberal Ron Baul. They each received 13% of the vote and Nevada represents 34 delegates in the RNC.


Taking a page right out of Fox's playbook. Such a shame.
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