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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby careinke » Thu 13 Dec 2012, 20:53:45

If your mother goes back into Chemo, and is lucky enough to live in a Medical Marijuana State, I would strongly recommend she use it for Nausea control and to enhance her appetite. It is much safer than other pharmaceuticals for those problems.

Unfortunately there have been no US scientific studies on this due to the fact it is a schedule 1 drug. Since congress classified it as a schedule 1 drug, getting permission to run scientific studies using marijuana is virtually impossible.
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby anador » Fri 14 Dec 2012, 10:41:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'I') assume you pointed them at articles explaining this is a scam and they still rejected your view? If the treatment is not overly expensive, I would not worry about it too much. Even if it does not purge toxins, it sounds like it is buying them some peace of mind. Yes, it's sorry to see ignorance embraced, but it they are pigheaded about it there is not much you can do about it. At least they are maintaining a positive attitude, which can be vitally important in recovery. I would probably just let the issue lie, you don't want your parents thinking of you as a downer. Instead, offer some advice that you think might actually help.

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Yes I sent quite a few articles to them, including several from major news outlets. My dad told me to "spend some of the time I took researching scams and look up the healing power of the placebo effect.)

thus pointing to how dangerously uninformed they are about even the vocab they are using. yeah placebo effect may alleviate allergies or eczema, but cancer? diabetes? a gunshot wound? im not buying it.

Yeah im trying to just stay positive when i talk to them, but I feel like I will regret NOT setting them straight forever if something happens.
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby anador » Fri 14 Dec 2012, 10:47:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I')f your mother goes back into Chemo, and is lucky enough to live in a Medical Marijuana State, I would strongly recommend she use it for Nausea control and to enhance her appetite. It is much safer than other pharmaceuticals for those problems.

Unfortunately there have been no US scientific studies on this due to the fact it is a schedule 1 drug. Since congress classified it as a schedule 1 drug, getting permission to run scientific studies using marijuana is virtually impossible.

Well THAT has been working well at least, we live in Mass but she is in treatment in Florida. My friends that grow in Mass were giving us some for free for her, now that shes in florida she related the somewhat hilarious story of how my 80 year old grandfather was buying pot for my mother in a pool hall.

They are all very conservative so this is quite a turn-around.
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:55:58

A good friend of mine survived several years with inoperable breast and liver cancer by going to a German clinic where they offered a custom immunotherapy. Each treatment session lasted several weeks and was grueling, but they kept her going and in reasonable health. Cost about $30,000 a session. Eventually she skipped as a session because her mother died, her tumors seemed to be gone, and she had exhausted all the money from the sale of her house. She relapsed and was dead in six months.

The backstory on this therapy was that originally it got as far as clinical trials, but it had killed a couple people due to unpredictable immune reactions, so they ended up in Germany. They were gathering days for more clinical trials.

Another friend's dad went to German for a much shadier cancer therapy based on heating the blood or something. He said he felt better for about 3 weeks. No doubt it was also expensive. He died a couple months later.

My friend had unusually good luck with her treatments. Was it worth it? I wouldn't go that route. They'd find me in the bathtub wearing a party hat with a pitcher of pina coladas and a hibachi that had filled the room with carbon monoxide, Japanese style.

Do you know who doesn't take cancer therapy? Doctors. More than any other group, doctors with a diagnosis of terminal cancer refuse treatment and go home to put their affairs in order.

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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 16 Dec 2012, 14:40:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Do you know who doesn't take cancer therapy? Doctors. More than any other group, doctors with a diagnosis of terminal cancer refuse treatment and go home to put their affairs in order.

That's pretty interesting Preston, and the path I plan to take, based on my personal observations (friends and family) and the data I've seen on cancer survival rates.

Do you know of reliable citations for this data (the sites I found briefly searching for doctors refusing chemotherapy all seemed to point to one article. I'm dubious about such data without good sourcing -- but it would be nice to have.

(I guess I could try books, but many of them are as slanted as internet sites).
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby Beery1 » Sun 16 Dec 2012, 14:55:35

My advice to anyone who is ill: see a specialist who has been trained in conventional medicine. Seeing anyone else is a complete waste of time and money.
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Dec 2012, 15:50:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Do you know who doesn't take cancer therapy? Doctors. More than any other group, doctors with a diagnosis of terminal cancer refuse treatment and go home to put their affairs in order.

That's pretty interesting Preston, and the path I plan to take, based on my personal observations (friends and family) and the data I've seen on cancer survival rates.

Do you know of reliable citations for this data (the sites I found briefly searching for doctors refusing chemotherapy all seemed to point to one article. I'm dubious about such data without good sourcing -- but it would be nice to have.

(I guess I could try books, but many of them are as slanted as internet sites).

You kinow, looking for it I find a bunch of BS, but at the time I read it, it seemed to be a credible source.

Anyway, some drugs have worse side effects than others. And how old aperson is counts for a lot. Someone who is 50 can "recover" from colon cancer while a person who is 88 may want to go straight to hospice.

My friend who died from breast cnacer was in her early 50s. And I recently lost a 57 year old cousin to pancreatic cancer. When my mother told me my cousin was sick I said "I don't want to be a downer, but he probably only has 1 month to live." Sure enough he was dead a month later.
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 18 Dec 2012, 16:41:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Do you know who doesn't take cancer therapy? Doctors. More than any other group, doctors with a diagnosis of terminal cancer refuse treatment and go home to put their affairs in order.


Chemotherapy ain't therapy, it's pure poison. I think most oncologists don't wanna believe so, because their entire income depends on it, but when it comes down to their own lives the truth comes out. They see the destruction it brings throughout their careers, the moral depravity of the hypocrisy is extreme.

The only reason any chemo patients get better, despite the poison, is they believe in the illusion and I'm certain they would've survived without all the chemical destruction in the first place.

You can easily draw an analogy to imperialism. You have an industry that needs wars and genocides to profit. So they create an entire country that believes we need to invade, read destroy, Iraq, Syria, whatever country on the list, in order to save it. Most Americans believe we liberated Iraq and Afghanistan. :cry:
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 18 Dec 2012, 21:49:59

There are people who have a good prognosis if they get chemo, and some cancers are relatively curable. But if a tumor is metastatic and does not respond well to chemo, personally I'd hesitate to draw things out for another 2 years. And there are also people that die needlessly because they put their faith in some new age treatment instead of chemo.

I do know a couple people that have overcome cancer with conventional therapy. I also knew two people with leukemia - one died and one recovered, but the one that recovered was saved by a long-shot bone marrow transplant after a couple years of chemo failed. He wasn't going to recover on his own, but it wasn't chemo that saved him either.
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Re: Snake-Oil Advice

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 25 Mar 2013, 15:05:56

So my one real vice over the past year's been coffee. First time I've ever been addicted to it in my life and I knew after I was hooked, how horrible this drug was. Took a lot of energy out of me, despite eating healthy. First time I tried to quit, the headaches were too much, similar to what I felt when I tried cold turkey as a smoker in my early 20's.

I realized I had no choice to quit coffee because it would certainly depress me severely and unrelentingly as it has for most Americans. God knows how much cancer caffeine promotes too because it's used in so many drink products now.

I invested in an expensive all stainless steel low-rpm 'masticating' juicer, and been doing almost daily raw juices of cucumber and kale with small amounts of apple and lemon. After four days from starting my juices I was able to quit coffee cold turkey with nearly imperceptible headaches. In fact, I kept telling myself there's no way it could be this easy. I still think it's impossible. :-D

So I've been off coffee now, no vices, my energy's back. I feel refreshed with only six hours of sleep a night now, and every few days I'll wake up after only three hours and feel no need to go back to sleep. I play an extremely intensive team sport, after about two to three hours of play most everyone else on the court will be totally spent, calling it a day, while I try to coax others, years younger than me, to continue. I could play for four hours easy.

For prevention and cure of cancer, RAW food/juices is the way to go!

Regarding the juicing, a one pint serving contains two cucumbers, one whole bunch of kale, half an apple and half a lemon. I don't know about you but there's no way I could enjoy eating one whole bunch of kale daily raw or cooked unless we're talking about kale chips, but the labor and time involved in making them is a non-starter for me. Plus these juices are delicious, quick and easy to make.
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