Hi Ghung,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')ut somebody either doesn't get it or doesn't care
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Re: Slow Steaming
by tom_s2 » Tue 18 Nov 2014, 18:12:48
That somebody is you. You're not following the conversation. Dashster was claiming that shipping companies had reduced the speed of their ships to adjust to higher oil prices. He was also asking if it would be possible to do something similar with tractor trailer trucks, once oil starts declining.
You responded by posting that the speed limit on a very few stretches of freeway in Texas and Maine, and freeways in the UK, had increased. Ghung, how exactly does that contradict the claims made here? That's obviously not even relevant to the claims made here.
Car traffic on freeways is something else because motorists also care about convenience and safety, not just minimizing fuel costs. Traffic fatalities are at all-time lows because of improved safety features, so maybe motorists would prefer to reduce their fuel consumption by buying more fuel-efficient cars rather than slowing down.
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Re: Slow Steaming
by tom_s2 » Tue 18 Nov 2014, 18:33:02
dashster,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ingle commute gasoline powered automobile use is going to go the way of the dodo bird. And it may even have to be outlawed if enough people are willing to try and bid oil away from truckers and trains.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ingle commute gasoline powered automobile use is going to go the way of the dodo bird. And it may even have to be outlawed if enough people are willing to try and bid oil away from truckers and trains.
I suppose people might start carpooling etc if things get really bad. However, Americans are very resistant to that kind of thing. There have been all kinds of incentives for carpooling (like special lanes etc) which have had little effect. When oil prices increased by a lot around 2007, vehicle miles travelled may have decreased but I think that was because people decided to forego some trips.
I'm just going by observation here, but it seems that the migration into denser areas and away from suburbs has been far more significant than any increase in carpooling. I suppose consumers can reduce their fuel expenditure however they want when oil starts declining, but I suspect carpooling won't be a popular option.
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Re: Slow Steaming
by tom_s2 » Tue 18 Nov 2014, 18:47:43
dashster:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think that whether someone lives in the suburbs or in downtown Manhattan they won't be single-car commuting. At that point reducing the cost of goods transportation becomes much more significant.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think that whether someone lives in the suburbs or in downtown Manhattan they won't be single-car commuting. At that point reducing the cost of goods transportation becomes much more significant.
Perhaps, but cargo transport to denser urban areas can be far more fuel-efficient.
Most fuel consumption for cargo is used in the last few miles, after the cargo is transferred from rail to trucks. In denser urban areas, those last few miles are much shorter. Many people in denser urban areas live within a mile of a railroad.
Also, electrification of transport is far more cost-effective in denser areas. Electrification of railroads, for example, involves an additional capital expenditure which is only worth it financially on heavily-trafficked routes. That's why rail is electrified only in densely populated countries.
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Re: Slow Steaming
by GHung » Tue 18 Nov 2014, 19:14:16
@Tom S said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')i Ghung,
but somebody either doesn't get it or doesn't care
That somebody is you. You're not following the conversation. Dashster was claiming that shipping companies had reduced the speed of their ships to adjust to higher oil prices. He was also asking if it would be possible to do something similar with tractor trailer trucks, once oil starts declining.
You responded by posting that the speed limit on a very few stretches of freeway in Texas and Maine, and freeways in the UK, had increased. Ghung, how exactly does that contradict the claims made here? That's obviously not even relevant to the claims made here.
Car traffic on freeways is something else because motorists also care about convenience and safety, not just minimizing fuel costs. Traffic fatalities are at all-time lows because of improved safety features, so maybe motorists would prefer to reduce their fuel consumption by buying more fuel-efficient cars rather than slowing down.
-Tom S
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')i Ghung,
but somebody either doesn't get it or doesn't care
That somebody is you. You're not following the conversation. Dashster was claiming that shipping companies had reduced the speed of their ships to adjust to higher oil prices. He was also asking if it would be possible to do something similar with tractor trailer trucks, once oil starts declining.
You responded by posting that the speed limit on a very few stretches of freeway in Texas and Maine, and freeways in the UK, had increased. Ghung, how exactly does that contradict the claims made here? That's obviously not even relevant to the claims made here.
Car traffic on freeways is something else because motorists also care about convenience and safety, not just minimizing fuel costs. Traffic fatalities are at all-time lows because of improved safety features, so maybe motorists would prefer to reduce their fuel consumption by buying more fuel-efficient cars rather than slowing down.
-Tom S
Jeez, Tom, my response was to the turn in the conversation about getting traffic on roads to slow down and save fuel. My point is; good luck with that. No need to be a butt about it. It was suggested that speed limits could/should be reduced back to 55 MPH (US), trucks even slower. Meanwhile, many stretches of road (not just my examples) have had their limits increased. I know of several major sections in my area. Our new Republican State Senator actually ran, in part, on improving roads and increasing speeds in the area, not reducing them. The Atlanta area 10 lane perimeter 'Super Loop' is in the process of increasing it's top speed from 55 to 65.
Bottom line: No popular support; No political will. "Our way of life is non-negotiable".
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