http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act
This bill, already passed by the House and the Senate by pretty substantial margins and just needs the President's signature to be Law, eliminates Habeas Corpus as a protection for people arrested by the state. It means, literally, that if you were arrested tomorrow by the government, you would have no legal recourse to find out why. Anyone can held without charge and without legal recourse for as long as the government deems necessary.
It reaffirms the fact that the Republicans AND Democrats are one and the same. By fairly large margins (65-34 and 250-170-2), this bill was passed. Other than a few token dissenters, both parties voted for this bill. It also shows the general course of American politics is away from freedom and towards 1984.
Everything since 9-11 has played out nearly identically as the NDSAP Germany did after the Reichstag Fire. Hitler drew up the Enabling Acts, we have the Patriot Act and now this. Sure, people hate the Hitler reference, but the truth is that it's true.
And for those who support this sort of legislation, shame on you. Saying that only terrorists and terrortist-apologists have something to fear is the height of ignorance. It's akin to saying that only enemies of the State and seditious people have something to fear in 1938 in NDSAP Germany. This sort of power will be abused. History has shown it to be true. In the 1960s, the FBI and CIA had broad powers to conduct spying on American citizens. It led to massive arrests in Civil Rights Movements, the Peace movements and also led to the abuse of power by Nixon to help sabotage his opponents' political moves.
This move is a very, very chilling act in American history.
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RIP Habeas Corpus
RIP Habeas Corpus
by 0mar » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 18:59:15
Joseph Stalin
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
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Re: RIP Habeas Corpus
by AgentR » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 19:02:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'I')t also shows the general course of American politics is away from freedom and towards 1984.
So... which side of that little mouse cage at the end would you prefer to be on?
If you refuse to choose, those that choose wisely, will place you where they don't want to be.
And which party is it that wants to remove even your last semblance of the means to resist when they come for you?
Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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Re: RIP Habeas Corpus
by firestarter » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 19:15:06
I agree with your sentiments, however, we still have a potential ace in the hole with the Supreme Court. Will soon find out if Roberts and Alito are Republican rubber stamps, or the independent minded strict constructionists they sold them to us as. The break down would go something like this:
Rule the law unconstititional slam dunks- Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter
Rule the law unconstitutional likely- Scalia, Kennedy
Rule the law unconstitutional 50/50 chance- Alito, Roberts
Likely to uphold the law- Thomas (unless he buckles to his peers)
Rule the law unconstititional slam dunks- Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter
Rule the law unconstitutional likely- Scalia, Kennedy
Rule the law unconstitutional 50/50 chance- Alito, Roberts
Likely to uphold the law- Thomas (unless he buckles to his peers)
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Re: RIP Habeas Corpus
by KhanCEO » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 20:34:26
To add to the creepy feeling, Bill Still the producer of "Money Masters" isn't giving any more lechers, this he claims is his last.
BIll Still At Tax Freedom Rally
Most Americans have no idea what is going on....
BIll Still At Tax Freedom Rally
Most Americans have no idea what is going on....
Stop Breeding!
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Re: RIP Habeas Corpus
by gego » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 20:44:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'I') agree with your sentiments, however, we still have a potential ace in the hole with the Supreme Court. Will soon find out if Roberts and Alito are Republican rubber stamps, or the independent minded strict constructionists they sold them to us as. The break down would go something like this:
Rule the law unconstititional slam dunks- Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter
Rule the law unconstitutional likely- Scalia, Kennedy
Rule the law unconstitutional 50/50 chance- Alito, Roberts
Likely to uphold the law- Thomas (unless he buckles to his peers)
Rule the law unconstititional slam dunks- Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter
Rule the law unconstitutional likely- Scalia, Kennedy
Rule the law unconstitutional 50/50 chance- Alito, Roberts
Likely to uphold the law- Thomas (unless he buckles to his peers)
I think that the Surpeme Court is political and may well rubber stamp it.
But even if they do overturn the law, this does not erase what Bush and the rest of the Republican and Democrat rulers attempted to do to us. It is sort of like the guy who shot up the Amish school. He did not molest the little Amish girls because the police arrived to soon, but he took two tubes of KY jelly with him with the intent to do so.
Just think of your rulers in Washington DC, each holding two tubes of KY jelly intending to use it on you. That is really who they are, and unfortunately, the majority of your fellow slaves intend to keep them in power.
Somehow I see a good political cartoon here with Bush holding a tube of KY jelly in each hand, an Amish school house in the background, some reference to the Military Commissions Act and the American public bent over with their pants around their ankles. This is the reality of our march in step with Hitler's Germany.
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Re: RIP Habeas Corpus
by NEOPO » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 20:47:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'I')t also shows the general course of American politics is away from freedom and towards 1984.
So... which side of that little mouse cage at the end would you prefer to be on?
If you refuse to choose, those that choose wisely, will place you where they don't want to be.
And which party is it that wants to remove even your last semblance of the means to resist when they come for you?
He meant to say "illusion of a means to resist" as you will not know when they are coming for you and of course they will come in "peace" only wishing to "talk"
Resistance is futile agent smith and you know it
I wanna be on the side that has the most cheese.....
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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