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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 16:40:20

theres no helping people like u

http://www.rense.com/general74/tenlies.htm
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 16:42:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GreenMarine', ' ')OMFG!!! Are you serious? Dude your in the same boat we are. Your average American would call you a conspiracy idiot just for talking about PO. People don't want to know that oil is runnig out, just like they don't want to hear that the Goverment fucking lied. Its the same with 9/11. The goverment spews Dis-Info like its the tuth. And people like you have selective critical thinking, just like selective hearing.


Conspiracy labels don't bother me ... sometimes conspiracies are real ... but not in the case of 911.

In the case of PO I put myself in the camp of "I think it may happen before, or around 2010". I honestltly hope that in this case I am a conspiracy nut myself and that I am proved wrong.

I constantly paw through new information hoping to find something that will convince me that PO is in fact still 20 years away. I look at options such as bio-fuels, hydrogen and other alternative energy sources in the hope that they will provide solutions ... but sadly they don't.

The thing is that I don't enjoy conspiracies. I prefer to live in the real world. On the other hand a lot of conspiracy theorists seem to enjoy the conspiracy and look umcritically at the evidence.

Take the Pentagon case.

If you were a lawyer and had to take this to court and could produce several dozen witnesses to say an aircraft plowed into the building and exploded, it would be an open and shut case.

It would be almost impossible to discredit the testimony of that many eyewitnesses. As a realist I am in the same boat ... I can't look at actual proveable evidence such as this ... and then ignore it in favor of some very strange, inconsistent, complex and almost unprovable theory.

PO has a certain inevitability to it ... all that is in doubt is the timing and our ability to deal with it when it comes.

The US and her allies are making a desperate grab to control Middle East Oil ... but 911 was not needed to create an alibi.

I am no lover of the Bush administration ... he is an idiot ... and cares little about causing death and untold misery to millions in pursuit his goals ... but I can't see any compelling evidence to show he invented 911.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 16:47:23

if the government has nothing to hide
why did they destroy or hide all the evidence ?

There has to be something mentally wrong with people to actually believe the official story, even after seeing all the evidence.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:29:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 't')heres no helping people like u

http://www.rense.com/general74/tenlies.htm


So Bush is a lier and incompetent ... tell me something I don't know.

None of this is proof.

Proof is when several dozen people all testify to seeing the same thing happen at the same time.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:40:58

read this ....
http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubicon- ... 0865715408

he uses evidence that would stand up in a court of law to show the bush administration did it. Most of the things we have talked about in this thread, won't stand up in a court of law because the evidence doesn't exist. It was either destroyed illegally or is being withheld. In some cases the evidence was carried off within minutes. Didn't anyone point out this was a crime ?

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby eric_b » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:42:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'S')igh ... did nothing sink in?


In your case, apparently not. Facts roll off you like water off a ducks feathers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '
')OK some magic pixies sprinkled pixie dust on the plane and made the engines magically disappear just before the plane hit the pentagon.


Here's a picture of one of the engines commonly used on the 767:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Turbofan640.jpg

The turbine blades are machined, at great expense, from monocrystalline steel (and other) alloys to withstand the stress of being a jet engine. Yes there are many serially numbered parts here. I imagine you're going to tell me all engines, on all four planes, vaporized into dust on impact. Poof. Sort of like what happened to the towers on 9-11. Poof. Reduced to toxic dust.

The government could reduce many suspicions by allowing third parties to see and review the wreckage. Something that has never been done.

Anyway it's more interesting to watch you on spin-cycle.

BTW, good comeback to my earlier post in this lame thread.

Buh-bye kook.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby GreenMarine » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:49:45

[quote="kokoda"][quote="Proof is when several dozen people all testify to seeing the same thing happen at the same time.[/quote ]

Proof would be released video tapes. Evidence on a event this huge in history would not be just a few eyewitnesses. Is our capitol guarded by eyewitnesses? Is the mightiest military power in the world going leave Pentagon without proper video surveillance? I think not. Yet we would rather lie to ourselves and say they are holding it all for nation security. It is for nation security though, because if the truth where revealed, then that would mean our goverment lied to us. Viva la revolution
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:55:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'i')f the government has nothing to hide
why did they destroy or hide all the evidence ?


To say they destroyed ALL the evidence is an exageration.

I have no idea why the evidence is not as forthcoming as you might like but I might point out that subjudicy might be an issue. A lot of the people involved in 911 might yet have to front up to a court.

The simple fact that it was the pentagon that was hit means that national security becomes an issue. The military very rarely release information about these sorts of events simply as a matter of policy ... they rarely make exceptions.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'T')here has to be something mentally wrong with people to actually believe the official story, even after seeing all the evidence.


I wonder the same thing about people confuse theories with actual hard evidence.

By the way you still haven't told me how several dozen eyewitnesses who saw an aircraft crash into the pentagon could all be wrong.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 18:06:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y the way you still haven't told me how several dozen eyewitnesses who saw an aircraft crash into the pentagon could all be wrong.


Like i said before, which u clearly didn't read. I am not saying a plane didn't crash at the pentagon. I am saying a 757 didn't crash at the pentagon! The hole in the front of pentagon was simply inconsistant with something as large as a 757 smashing into it. Probably something smaller like a globalhawk crashed into it. But without the physical evidence, no one can prove either way. That latest video that was released, you can see a something hurtling towards the pentagon and then the explosion, but you can't see anything as large as a 757, yet this got minimal mention in the news.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby GreenMarine » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 18:26:23

Eyewitnesses are people. People can lie, or told to tell another story by the FBI or any other Goverment agency. Look how many Fire fighters and policeman have been silenced. All becaus they do not want to lose their pensions.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby GreenMarine » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 18:37:13

Resent last msg.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 20:02:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GreenMarine', 'R')esent last msg.

Sidenote. Are you able to fire your guns the way you hold them in your avatar?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 20:05:25

I won my bet.

Eric ... Firstly of all we don't know that engine fan blades didn't survive ... they may have simply not released those photos.

Secondly these blades aren't indestructable ... even a big enough bird strike can damage and destroy them.

Dukey ... big difference in size between a 757 and a cruise missile. I would find it hard to believe that so many people would have gotten that wrong.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 21:26:27

Rumsfeld:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center.


Source:
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/ ... 012pm.html

I suppose he is lying too eh ? :)

How did a missile get there ?
probably a small military plane. But not a 757
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 21:31:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '.').. Some people can see the truth and call it a lie - total denial - as has been on display in this forum on a regular basis. ...


Most people are scared of the consequences of PO and therefore decided to live their life in a constant state of denial or hope that "TPTB will make it go away"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '.').. It seems like you are a LIHOP believer......where's the beef?
It is still a very heinous crime and we all know what should be done with heinous criminals.

Does it really matter if some of us believe that it was a MIHOP?

It doesnt really matter does it? ...

... So to recap - if TPTB participated in any way beyond simply ALLOWING it to happen then they MADE IT HAPPEN which is the basis of the MIHOP theory.


Thanks for confirming what I said earlier n this thread. It seemes you missed that one. It looks like we were agreeing over 15 pages of this thread :wink:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Back on page 9 of this thread I', '.').. It is most likely that your government failed on purpose to avoid 9/11 because of they had to gain so much if a couple of thousand people die in an spectacular event. And the best thing is all they had to do was sit back and watch.

As more you want them to have played an active part in it, like blowing up buildings, firing rockets in the pentagon, as less in becomes possible to prove their involvement. Just stick yo the known facts, to sound science and the truth is more shocking than blowing up a building. But as long this ridiculous theories are believed by people the government is save and the people responsible for it are laughing their ass off.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', ' ')... Was it a bird, a plane, Superman? that hit the Pentagon?
Irrelevant as they knew it was going to happen regardless so whatever hit the Pentagon did so by design.

I hope it is evident at this point why some of us do not wish to entertain further siftings through the rubble.

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Thank you. Now you are talking. May I quote my first contribution to this thread? That

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('on page 4 of this thread I', 'S')orry but we don't know nothing - nothing at all.

We believe what we want to believe, which has nothing to do with knowing.

Our believes are based on assumptions made by us because of our interpretation of factual evidence and has nothing to to with the truth about what really happened.

PS: Please look up Ockhams Razor and Parsimony ...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', ' ')... I hope you can see that I only desire to take these theories further and to use them to better understand PO and all of its possible ramifications.

Mihop or lihop = guilty.

"How do these revelations effect our understanding of PO" is the real question to be asking.

Are you sure? 9/11 will look like a day on a white sandy beach with nice girls in bikinis and lot's of Margaritas around if you compare it with the impact of PO
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 21:46:35

9/11 will look like a day on a white sandy beach with nice girls in bikinis and lot's of Margaritas around if you compare it with the impact of PO

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That's the reason they staged 911. PO is the the most critical point in human history so far. Bush and Cheney are full aware of PO. Deperate people do deperate things in desperate situations.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 22:03:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'T')hat's the reason they staged 911. PO is the the most critical point in human history so far. Bush and Cheney are full aware of PO. Deperate people do deperate things in desperate situations.


You think Bush and Cheney are desperate?

I think especially Cheney is an effective and cool calculating manipulator.

There is no need to develop complicated plans to stage an event like 9/11. There are enough nutcakes in this world who would be more than happy to do the same as we speak. It's not very complicated to make them believe that this is the right thing to do.

If you know what they are doing and when, all you have to do is to keep your watchdogs busy or chained on the day they strike.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 22:14:14

You think Bush and Cheney are desperate?

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absolutely i do. They know what is happening to the canterel oil field in mexico and ghawar in KSA. The decline rates are staggering to say the least.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 22:25:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'a')bsolutely i do. They know what is happening to the canterel oil field in mexico and ghawar in KSA. The decline rates are staggering to say the least.


I don't know if desperate is the right adjective.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dictionary', 'd')esperate adjective

feeling, showing, or involving a hopeless sense that a situation is so bad as to be impossible to deal with : a desperate sadness enveloped Ruth.

(of an act or attempt) tried in despair or when everything else has failed; having little hope of success : drugs used in a desperate attempt to save his life.

(of a situation) extremely bad, serious, or dangerous : there is a desperate shortage of teachers.

[ predic. ] (of a person) having a great need or desire for something : I am desperate for a cigarette | [with infinitive ] the government is desperate to clean up Rio's streets.

(of a person or fight) violent or dangerous : a desperate criminal | a desperate struggle.
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