[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GreenMarine', 'A')nswer this simple question why aren't there more videos? No one can deny how simple it would be to counter all this "truth" if the Gov't just showed a few videos.

[Armageddon]

They wouldn't be hiding anything, would they ? All the cameras were confiscated immediately after the pentagon was hit, and they wont show one clip of whatever hit it ? They aren't too afraid to show the twin towers being hit. Come on people, use some common sense

[NEOPO]

It seems that what hit the pentagon was a bunker buster type missle made for deep penetration.....yeah baby!
A mind is a terrible to waste

Or......Ew.... imagine we may have weapons not listed on google.

Do ya think these creatons could toss out more "you are idiot and I am super genius" type commentary??? bwahahahah!!!

Doh! now him confused and now he must speak with him instructor....because him knowledge of physics and him google abilty have now failed him
Sorry - cant really help myself - its like a "tick"

Might as well start the next great peak oil debate right here and now because I can do exactly what these lil beasties are trying to do to 911 truth but much more effectively with Peak oil and what better way to show them just how full of shit they are then to do what they are doing to the subject of peak oil.

Peakers know just how much bullshit is out there to use in the denial of PO and its subsequent ramifications.
It is easy to reinforce the official version of things as you have the entire world and its minions in your camp already.

But peakers do not believe the official version of PO now do they? no.....
Peakers learn to look beyond the official smoke screen and dig for the truth.

Curious - do you freaks believe the official version of Peak Oil?
How about climate change?
How about die off?
Was the Iraq war for Oil?

I have a funny feeling that if I ask everyone these questions that I will find some very real simularities in their answers and how they feel about 911.

Is mr gibbons still paying attention?
Hate to school ya in your chosen field friend yet perhaps I am a natural?

Come on Kokoda and lighthouse and anyone else reading this thread.
Answer the above questions honestly and let us know how you feel about these issues please.

Heres a better format to use:

Peak Oil:
Climate change:
Die off:
Iraq War:
911:

and here is my answers:

Peak Oil: we peaked dec 2005 SLC - VERY VERY BAD THINGS
Climate change: very very bad - not sure if many will survive
Die off: inevitable minus a freaking miracle which would really be just another curse.
Iraq War: See peak oil above
911: New pearl harbor, Reichstag fire, MIHOP

Good night and good luck.

[Lighthouse]

NEOPO, I was sure you would jump right onto my calculations.

You did not even consider that those where based completely on assumptions - some of them totally ridiculous. But that is usually the way 9/11 conspiracy theories try to prove something.

However to answer your questions

Curious - do you freaks believe the official version of Peak Oil?

What is the official version?

My interpretation is that we are at the peak a while now and moving along a plateau.


How about climate change?

Man, my country is burning (literally) already because of it!

How about die off?

Sad, but it is a terrible necessity.

Was the Iraq war for Oil?

Yes

9/11

Pearl Harbour, Reichstag. Your Government could have stopped it early but did choose to let it happen. The US Government was probably the driving force behind it.

Anything else?

[Armageddon]

Was the Iraq war for Oil?

Yes!

===========================

Hmm, the war was for oil, but how do we tell the American people and the world we are going to achieve this ?

Option 1 : Bush, " we are going to Iraq because the world is about to peak in oil production and we need to secure more oil for America to continue it's current life style "

Option 2 : Let's stage a phony terror attack ( people are going to die anyway when their precious resource will start to dwindle and cause massive starvation worldwide ), and blame it on the Islamic radicals , then attack Afghanistan, then tell them Sadam is building wmd's. They will be so scared, they will believe this "

[Lighthouse]

Ahem, I hate to correct you all the time, but your argument is flawed ant totally wrong. 9/11 was never the official reason for the US to go to Iraq.

And going to Afghanistan first to have a reason to go to Iraq? Do you ever think before you type something?

Please stop making a fool out of yourself and at least try to stick with the facts.

[Armageddon]

did you not read slow enough ?

[Armageddon]

The first objective was to get people into buying that the radical muslims and al quada was behind it. Before 911, I have never heard of bin ladin and al quada. Their plan worked. Hook, line and sinker. People bought it. Patriot act passed was a big step also. Bush has the freedom to do basically anything he wants now.

[kokoda]

A bunker buster isn't consistent with the damage outside the building ... that car was flattened.

There is still the little issue of the several dozen witnesses that saw an aircraft hit the building ... which none of you seem to want to address.

Peak Oil:

My opinion is that it may have peaked in 2005. If it hasn't then almost certainly by 2010.

Global Warming:

Some belated recognition that it is a problem by governments .... but my gut tells me that it is too late to stop the worst of it from happening. There will be massive economic and social disaster as a result.

Die Off:

I am not sure of the extent of the die off but I think there will be less people around in 20 years then there are now.

Was the Iraq war for Oil:

Obviously.

911:
Is irrelevant to PO and Global Warming. The 911 attack was never given as the reason for the invasion of Iraq.

[GreenMarine]

Bull shit!! Koko-loco

President Bush speaking in Cincinnati, Ohio, in October, 2002, in which he laid out the threat he believed Iraq posed.

Before 11 September 2001, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents and lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons, and other plans - this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take just one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.

President Bush in his State of the Union address, January 2003. He made these comments in the context of the links he perceived between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.

The terrorists have lost a sponsor in Iraq. And no terrorist networks will ever gain weapons of mass destruction from Saddam Hussein's regime.

President Bush in his speech to the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia, September, 2003.

For America, there will be no going back to the era before 11 September 2001, to false comfort in a dangerous world. We have learned that terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of strength.

They are invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to avoid attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives and plans.

We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities.

President Bush in a televised address to defend his administration's policy on Iraq, September 2003.

We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after 11 September, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.

Some citizens wonder, after 11 years of living with this problem, why do we need to confront it now? And there's a reason. We've experienced the horror of 11 September.

US Secretary of State Colin Powell in a presentation to the UN Security Council, setting out the US case against the Iraqi regime, February 2003.

We don't know.

Vice-President Dick Cheney when pressed on whether there was a link between Iraq and 11 September during a TV interview, September 2003.

We will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who've had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.

Mr Cheney in the same interview, commenting on the war against Iraq.

We've never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it.

Mr Cheney in the same interview, while recounting the controversial claim that one of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta, met an Iraqi official in Prague before the attacks.

[Saddam Hussein posed a risk in] a region from which the 9/11 threat emerged.

I was in the United States Marine Corps at the time, and I listened to ever stupid lie Bush said. Bush never had to go to war. But again all this is for oil anyway. No one can deny that.Nothing less.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '.').. Before 911, I have never heard of bin ladin and al quada...

[Lighthouse]

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[kokoda]

One simple question greenmarine ... If 911 was an excuse to invade Iraq then why was Saddam not simply blamed for 911?

The reason for invading Iraq was obviously pretty lame and was a cover for the US to gain control of Iraqi Oil Fields.

As part of the cease fire agreement from the first gulf war Iraq was required to cease all development of WMD and to open itself up to investigation by UN appointed Weapons Inspectors. In spite of the repeated claims by weapons inspectors that no WMD were in Iraq the US claimed (falsely) to have evidence to the contrary.

The US failed to convince the UN that Saddam had breached the cease fire agreement and was developing WMDs. For that reason the US put together the "Coalition of the Willing" and took matters into its own hands. The rest is history.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '
')Don't be fooled by dukey's nonsense, or those images of aircraft that have belly flopped into mountains or have crash landed and burned up. The crash into the pentagon was entirely different. It involved an aircraft accelerating hard and hitting a solid, almost immobile wall head on.

There no gradual disipation of energy ... it was the sudden release of massive amounts of energy.

[kokoda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')
Pffft. You protest too much. And you're wrong. 9-11, exhibit #14908578454

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') bunker buster isn't consistent with the damage outside the building ... that car was flattened.

There is still the little issue of the several dozen witnesses that saw an aircraft hit the building ... which none of you seem to want to address.

[GreenMarine]

[/quote]
You're either another conspiracy idiot or you know something I don't.

I know which my money is on.[/quote] OMFG!!! Are you serious? Dude your in the same boat we are. Your average American would call you a conspiracy idiot just for talking about PO. People don't want to know that oil is runnig out, just like they don't want to hear that the Goverment fucking lied. Its the same with 9/11. The goverment spews Dis-Info like its the tuth. And people like you have selective critical thinking, just like selective hearing.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'N')EOPO, I was sure you would jump right onto my calculations.

You did not even consider that those where based completely on assumptions - some of them totally ridiculous. But that is usually the way 9/11 conspiracy theories try to prove something.

However to answer your questions

Curious - do you freaks believe the official version of Peak Oil?

What is the official version?

My interpretation is that we are at the peak a while now and moving along a plateau.


How about climate change?

Man, my country is burning (literally) already because of it!

How about die off?

Sad, but it is a terrible necessity.

Was the Iraq war for Oil?

Yes

9/11

Pearl Harbour, Reichstag. Your Government could have stopped it early but did choose to let it happen. The US Government was probably the driving force behind it.

Anything else?

[GreenMarine]

I would say understanding 9/11 would make us aware of any future MSM propaganda. This is the price of an energy war.

[kokoda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') bunker buster isn't consistent with the damage outside the building ... that car was flattened.

There is still the little issue of the several dozen witnesses that saw an aircraft hit the building ... which none of you seem to want to address.