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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 20:23:50

Hello.

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Re: Another Record

Unread postby chuck6877 » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 20:35:30

What are the intraday and closing oil price records again?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 20:56:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chuck6877', 'W')hat are the intraday and closing oil price records again?


Intraday is about 50 cents higher and closing high is about $78. Looks like we are very close to the record right now:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il Rises to Near Record on Signs OPEC Will Keep Output Quota

By Gavin Evans
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil rose to within 50 cents of a record on speculation rising demand and restricted OPEC production may tighten fourth-quarter supplies.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries pumps about 40 percent of the world's oil and will set its output target for the rest of the year at a meeting in Vienna today. It will probably maintain its current ceiling because of ample supplies and the prospect of slowing U.S. demand, officials said.

Crude oil for October delivery rose as much as 83 cents, or 1.1 percent, to $78.32 a barrel in after-hours electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, its seventh day of gains. It was trading at $78.30 at 8:48 a.m. in Sydney. New York futures reached a record $78.77 on Aug. 1.



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Re: Another Record

Unread postby sameu » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 08:14:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', 'I') think I read today that opec probably wont raise output at their meeting. It would appear that the world is awash in crude oil. They dont want to saturate the market


yes that's because of all those alternatives coming online/slowing economic growth/refinery bottlenecks/ [insert more crap here]
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Troyboy1208 » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 14:08:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sameu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', 'I') think I read today that opec probably wont raise output at their meeting. It would appear that the world is awash in crude oil. They dont want to saturate the market


yes that's because of all those alternatives coming online/slowing economic growth/refinery bottlenecks/ [insert more crap here]


I hope you detected the heavy sarcasm in my post ;)
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Loderunner » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 15:59:26

Okay, so right after the meeting when OPEC decided to increase by 0.5 million bpd (bit of a surprise to most analysts), prices went down a bit. But, now they are back up again? Latest price $78.24. I wonder if the media just have a headline spinner that they use for the reasoning for price increases.

One question I have: Is the price of oil determined by actual buying and selling of oil or is it entirely investor, speculative driven, or is it a combination of both?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Bas » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 16:23:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loderunner', 'O')kay, so right after the meeting when OPEC decided to increase by 0.5 million bpd (bit of a surprise to most analysts), prices went down a bit. But, now they are back up again? Latest price $78.24. I wonder if the media just have a headline spinner that they use for the reasoning for price increases.

One question I have: Is the price of oil determined by actual buying and selling of oil or is it entirely investor, speculative driven, or is it a combination of both?


New supply typically takes a month and a bit before it hits the market, as ramping up of production and shipping cause some delay. Still, speculators might not trust OPEC's statements as much as they did in the past; it would have been reasonable to see prices drop a bit in anticipation of new supply at least, but it's still likely that this will happen in the coming days.

As for the setting of the price: in the short term speculation sets the price, over the long term it's entirely fundamental supply and demand that sets the price (so we can safely say that the rise in prices over the last 4 years are a result of supply staying behind the growth in demand, and is not a result of speculation)
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 16:42:30

We've had a few quota bumps over the last year or two that never really seem to show up in the markets. I'd guess investors are taking opec's comments with a grain of salt.


CNBC was just mentioning that traders think OPEC is in-effective and they expect worldwide growth to tighten supplies
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby sameu » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 16:52:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sameu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', 'I') think I read today that opec probably wont raise output at their meeting. It would appear that the world is awash in crude oil. They dont want to saturate the market


yes that's because of all those alternatives coming online/slowing economic growth/refinery bottlenecks/ [insert more crap here]


I hope you detected the heavy sarcasm in my post ;)


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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 17:37:03

$78 is holding up:

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That storm system east of the islands continues to creep west. If it develops, and turns slightly north as it is expected to do, look for the price records to be broken with ease.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 18:10:37

Oil Hits New Record Despite OPEC Move

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ight, sweet crude for October delivery rose 74 cents to settle at $78.23 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange after alternating frequently between gains and losses. The settlement price bested the previous record, set July 31, by 2 cents.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Troyboy1208 » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 18:25:31

so why is the price at the pump still 2.75...we should be over 3.00 dollars by now
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 19:29:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')o why is the price at the pump still 2.75


I'm sure that will changing soon enough.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Denny » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 21:40:05

Is it really a record price for crude? For the 5% of the world who live in the United States, yes. for most of the world, no.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby chuck6877 » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 00:13:47

CNBC said regarding the 500,000 barrel raise in the Quota today, that OPEC was ALREADY pumping 500,000 over their official quota so really there would be no change........

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Re: Another Record

Unread postby simontay78 » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 00:40:58

According to my own Calculation

The 500,000 barrels per day boost only last conservatively 8.755 minutes basing on world oil consumption of 82,234,918 bbl/day (According to NationMaster)

Hold our breath...long enough we might celebrate but only for 8.755 minutes!
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby jeezlouise » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 01:05:51

Well, slap my Momma. (...Uhm, that's a Southern thing.)

The oil investors actually pulled their heads from their collective posterior long enough to come to a realistic consensus. Never thought I'd see the day.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby joewp » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 10:47:51

Another record, it just hit $78.99 a few minutes after the open, backed off 20 cents and now it's trying to pass $79 again...

22 minutes 'til the weekly storage report, which could send it either way...
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 11:32:41

Oil hits record on big inventory drop

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il prices hit a fresh intraday record high of over $79 a barrel Wednesday after the government said supplies of crude oil fell far more than expected.

U.S. light crude for October delivery rose 70 cents to $78.97 a barrel, passing the old trading high of $78.77 a barrel hit Aug. 1. Oil had traded up 49 cents just prior to the report's release, and touched a record $79.29 just after the report.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 13:24:25

NYMEX now at $79.15. Let's see what the news of the two storms does.
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