[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', '
')I personally sometimes dream of being a kind of raw materials seeker, assigned to scavenge a ruined giant city. I would know every corner of it and on request from someone well off, preferable with a pretty daughter (we need some IT-equipment, metals, books tools) i would again set out into the wasted danger zone, no one dares to enter, save me and maybe some true servant.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')t seems to me the thing to realize is becoming an integral part of ones' community is the key.

Either do that where you stand or go where you feel your skills will be of value.

We moved to Tornado Alley and though it has a fairly sorted past, folks seem to value others who exhibit a little self-reliance.

It is East of the tree-line, south of the 200-day growing line with 35+ inches of rain.

I’m thinking either make your place right, make your move or sit here and tap …

[timbo]

For a good read and a plausible scenario, at least bits of it, try Lucifers Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

"Two societies form in post-Hammerfall California: a near-feudal meritocracy centered around Senator Jellison’s farm, and an anti-technological gang of cannibals who live off only what they can pillage and steal."

My own scenarios.
Police State --> Resource Wars --> Descent into Barbarism
Resource Wars --> Descent into Barbarism
Resource Wars --> Global Thermonuclear War --> Cockroaches Rule
Techno-cornucopia

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'V')ermont, New Hampshire, Maine, and parts of upstate New York: The local cultures are strong on self reliance and community spirit. Lots of small towns.

[Anthrobus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')But what are you actually doing in real life?

[FreakOil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', '
')I personally sometimes dream of being a kind of raw materials seeker, assigned to scavenge a ruined giant city. I would know every corner of it and on request from someone well off, preferable with a pretty daughter (we need some IT-equipment, metals, books tools) i would again set out into the wasted danger zone, no one dares to enter, save me and maybe some true servant.

[FreakOil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'V')ermont, New Hampshire, Maine, and parts of upstate New York: The local cultures are strong on self reliance and community spirit. Lots of small towns.

[timbo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', '.')..That's a good point, but bear in mind that upstate New York is the entire swath of land from Buffalo to Albany, north of the Alleghenies and Catskills and south of the Adirondacks. There are a lot of undisturbed rural communities with forests and farmland nearby, and there's also the Alleghenies, Catskills and Adirondacks for refuge. It's a lot more than just the Hudson Valley and not as bad as you may think.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', '
')in real life, ludi, i would like to develop an attitude to be able to deal with crisises (not to panic, hide, deny, delay, try to find the important points and chances quick) and to keep my senses and my mind and my emotions clear. No guns, gold, hoarded livestock.

[FreakOil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timbo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', '.')..That's a good point, but bear in mind that upstate New York is the entire swath of land from Buffalo to Albany, north of the Alleghenies and Catskills and south of the Adirondacks. There are a lot of undisturbed rural communities with forests and farmland nearby, and there's also the Alleghenies, Catskills and Adirondacks for refuge. It's a lot more than just the Hudson Valley and not as bad as you may think.

[timbo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', '.')..A bit austere, but that would work. Is this something you've been planning?

[MarkJames]

Between the Catskill Mountains, Hudson River Valley, Champlain Valley, Mohawk River Valley, Adirondack Mountains, Finger Lakes and Great Lakes region there's plenty of room for downstaters in Upstate New York. We have plenty of land, water, wood, game, fish etc. Once you've mastered basic wilderness and cold weather survival skills, bring your bows, treestands, handguns, shotguns, rifles, ammunition, knives, saws, axes, canoes, boats, sleds, skis, snowshoes, fishing equipment, ice fishing gear, supplies etc and you'll fit right in with many of the locals.

Many downstaters own camps or vacation homes in my region of the Adirondacks.