[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kent', 'O')ne day before the stock market crash of 1929 there were people saying nothing of the sort could ever happen.

Five minutes before the Titanic went down there were people saying it was an unsinkable ship.

It's not really being negative to say "The Titanic is going down, please make your way to a lifeboat.

Being negative would be to begin screaming: "We're all going to die! We're all going to die!" (even if it were true it wouldn't much help matters).

[Free]

Yes all we need is a bit of trust in mankind! After all we have solved so many problems. Trust the market! Where there is demand, there will be supply! You shouldn't be so negative, go to a manager seminar of positive thinking!
Yes think positive! Everybody concentrate now! Sing with me: Everything is fine!
We got to get this karma floating and then everything will be fine! Just focus on the positive! We can do everything if we just want it badly enough! The power of will! Sing with me: Everything is fine. Everthing is....fine. Every....everything is fine. Everything .... is .... *gulp*

[jato]

Yes, yes, yes...

Space mirrors, laser drilling, fusion reactors, zero-point energy and methane from Jupiter will save us!

[PenultimateManStanding]

Regarding the unexplored ocean depths. Even if it was feasible to drill that deep, there's just basalt down there - no nice reservoir rock to trap oil.

[erl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f I wanted to I could affirm that God exists with a simple slide of my hand

[ONASIS]

Seems like these posts have a USA bias, so here's one from Europe -

My grandfather was a Greek who grew onions + olives on his land which he then exporter on his own sailing ship to Turkey - He and his community were happy raising their chickens, goats, and pigs - The Greeks, who created democracy B.C., have lived through Turkish + Nazi occupation - but their community, values, beliefs, and core ideology survived !!

Looks like a lot of posts on this PO forum are from USA - don't panic life will go on - and perhaps in the near future we can all grow onions + olives together - i.e. nature will revert to the lowest common denominator = simplicity -
Best Wishes, ONASIS - The Golden Greek

[linlithgowoil]

it is mainly usa biased - i think mainly because people in the usa are most vulnerable. i mean, using 22 million barrels of oil a DAY?!?!! bloody hell. im in scotland and i think we are still pretty much self sufficient in oil i think - though not for too much longer, but i think scotland only uses about 0.25 million barrels of oil a day - not too sure on that one.

also, the USA is a bit of a mess - all roads, no paths to walk on, and you need a car to do anything. it will be pretty hard for the average american, surrounded by nothing but roads and wasteland, to have a different lifestyle.

[UIUCstudent01]

Yeah, I have to agree that Americans are the most vulnerable. For the most part, you must have a car. People like to think of it as a freedom - but when you tell people the idea that it is a ball-and-chain, it gets you weird looks. (Complaining about money for insurance and gas usually gets you back on the right side of the people. But I now also blame the automobile for the fact that it makes our infrastructure and our way of life be so damned abstract and absurd.)

And then, there's agriculture. Being in Illinois I have seen large spaces of suburban sprawl as well as large corn fields as well as industrial factories (in Chicago). All based on cheap oil. Kinda hard to picture a place to run off to relatively locally...

Until this past year I wasn't quite ready to accept the fact that the line, "protecting American interests" was based on making people give us cheap oil, but now it seems like it historically has been and the Neocon's are an apt group of people that hopefully we can shift all the blame to for decades of foreign policy which have been disgusting really... at least that's what I hope will happen as WW3 comes about.. USA vs THE WORLD~!

[ONASIS]

linlithgowoil

I guess us Europeans have 'Created' the developed world through sweat, tears, and hardship and we are still tough cookies - British stiff upper lip, Falklands Wars, Balkan Wars, etc.

In modern times, the UK created the 'British Empire' and the industrial revolution as well as USA, Australia, N.Z., etc., - and fought bloody wars, on a Global scale. Indeed, the UK made the industrial world off its own back -

The ancient Greeks had their trading empires, wars, laws, and society and yet are still the biggest shipowning nation on earth today even though they suffered a great deal !

By contrast, the American citizen seems to be a more 'risk averse', introverted, at home (don't think many even have a passport), and incapable of 'fending' for themselves without a supermarket, airconditioning, pathetic talk-shows, and a big V8 in the drive. Also they have high levels of obesity + introduced 'junk food' via Globalisation - all of which has made a vast unproductive underclass who cannot compete on a global scale with the likes of China or India, even given their advantages of cheap oil - God knows how they will survive PO -

The Europeans are a diverse + strong mix of cultures who will have the social policies to overcome PO, as well as the Euro's to buy plentiful hydrocarbon supplies from N.Africa + Russia - via LPG imports by pipeline + tanker.

Yes, Europe can extend its own empire south towards Africa as well as eastwards to Russia thus ensuring plentiful energy, commodities, as well as labour -

Additionally, France has a high proportion of Nuclear power stations (as well as technology) and we can easily bring more power on-line via UK + Eastern Europe + Russia.

Europeans also have massive technological expertise, especially from Eastern Europe, and spare capacity to divest resources into alternate energy production like geothermal, tidal, wind power, etc.

Don't worry, we Europeans have the Diplomacy to prosper when PO comes !

Best Wishes,
ONASIS-

[ONASIS]

linlithgowoil

I guess us Europeans have 'Created' the developed world through sweat, tears, and hardship and we are still tough cookies - British stiff upper lip, Falklands Wars, Balkan Wars, etc.

In modern times, the UK created the 'British Empire' and the industrial revolution as well as USA, Australia, N.Z., etc., - and fought bloody wars, on a Global scale. Indeed, the UK made the industrial world off its own back -

The ancient Greeks had their trading empires, wars, laws, and society and yet are still the biggest shipowning nation on earth today even though they suffered a great deal !

By contrast, the American citizen seems to be a more 'risk averse', introverted, at home (don't think many even have a passport), and incapable of 'fending' for themselves without a supermarket, airconditioning, pathetic talk-shows, and a big V8 in the drive. Also they have high levels of obesity + introduced 'junk food' via Globalisation - all of which has made a vast unproductive underclass who cannot compete on a global scale with the likes of China or India, even given their advantages of cheap oil - God knows how they will survive PO -

The Europeans are a diverse + strong mix of cultures who will have the social policies to overcome PO, as well as the Euro's to buy plentiful hydrocarbon supplies from N.Africa + Russia - via LPG imports by pipeline + tanker.

Yes, Europe can extend its own empire south towards Africa as well as eastwards to Russia thus ensuring plentiful energy, commodities, as well as labour -

Additionally, France has a high proportion of Nuclear power stations (as well as technology) and we can easily bring more power on-line via UK + Eastern Europe + Russia.

Europeans also have massive technological expertise, especially from Eastern Europe, and spare capacity to divest resources into alternate energy production like geothermal, tidal, wind power, etc.

Don't worry, we Europeans have the Diplomacy to prosper when PO comes !

Best Wishes,
ONASIS-

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'a')lso, the USA is a bit of a mess - all roads, no paths to walk on, and you need a car to do anything. it will be pretty hard for the average american, surrounded by nothing but roads and wasteland, to have a different lifestyle.

[linlithgowoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m happy to say I at last agree with you 100%. We've created a hellhole here. That's why I'm happy to live in the country.

[OilyMon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONASIS', 'l')inlithgowoil

By contrast, the American citizen seems to be a more 'risk averse', introverted, at home (don't think many even have a passport), and incapable of 'fending' for themselves without a supermarket, airconditioning, pathetic talk-shows, and a big V8 in the drive.

[DomusAlbion]

linlithgowoil,

You got a very distorted view of America. Florida is where the wealthy go to retire and the area around Orlando is all relatively new and "modern" and is oriented toward the tourist trade.

Florida is really a foreign land to most Americans.

We currently live in a moderately sized city in the North West. We live in an 80 year old house on a boulevard surrounded by a park. There is more foot traffic down this tree lined green belt than cars and just behind us is a converatory and formal garden. We walk a lot here. St Augustine's is just on the other side of the park and we often walk there to mass.

Unfortunately, to be able to do any shopping we must get in the truck and drive several miles to the market.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'I')m very thankful i live in scotland. our roads are tiny, and places are built for access on foot. we are actually positively going out of our way to discourage car use here.

[4StringSlinger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONASIS', 'l')inlithgowoil

I guess us Europeans have 'Created' the developed world through sweat, tears, and hardship and we are still tough cookies - British stiff upper lip, Falklands Wars, Balkan Wars, etc.

In modern times, the UK created the 'British Empire' and the industrial revolution as well as USA, Australia, N.Z., etc., - and fought bloody wars, on a Global scale. Indeed, the UK made the industrial world off its own back -

The ancient Greeks had their trading empires, wars, laws, and society and yet are still the biggest shipowning nation on earth today even though they suffered a great deal !

By contrast, the American citizen seems to be a more 'risk averse', introverted, at home (don't think many even have a passport), and incapable of 'fending' for themselves without a supermarket, airconditioning, pathetic talk-shows, and a big V8 in the drive. Also they have high levels of obesity + introduced 'junk food' via Globalisation - all of which has made a vast unproductive underclass who cannot compete on a global scale with the likes of China or India, even given their advantages of cheap oil - God knows how they will survive PO -

The Europeans are a diverse + strong mix of cultures who will have the social policies to overcome PO, as well as the Euro's to buy plentiful hydrocarbon supplies from N.Africa + Russia - via LPG imports by pipeline + tanker.

Yes, Europe can extend its own empire south towards Africa as well as eastwards to Russia thus ensuring plentiful energy, commodities, as well as labour -

Additionally, France has a high proportion of Nuclear power stations (as well as technology) and we can easily bring more power on-line via UK + Eastern Europe + Russia.

Europeans also have massive technological expertise, especially from Eastern Europe, and spare capacity to divest resources into alternate energy production like geothermal, tidal, wind power, etc.

Don't worry, we Europeans have the Diplomacy to prosper when PO comes !

Best Wishes,
ONASIS-

[4StringSlinger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilyMon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONASIS', 'l')inlithgowoil

By contrast, the American citizen seems to be a more 'risk averse', introverted, at home (don't think many even have a passport), and incapable of 'fending' for themselves without a supermarket, airconditioning, pathetic talk-shows, and a big V8 in the drive.

[ArimoDave]

4StringSlinger wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')rong

You, too, are wong.

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONASIS', 'S')eems like these posts have a USA bias, so here's one from Europe -

My grandfather was a Greek who grew onions + olives on his land which he then exporter on his own sailing ship to Turkey -

He and his community were happy raising their chickens, goats, and pigs -

The Greeks, who created democracy B.C., have lived through Turkish + Nazi occupation - but their community, values, beliefs, and core ideology survived !!

Looks like a lot of posts on this PO forum are from USA - don't panic life will go on - and perhaps in the near future we can all grow onions + olives together -

i.e. nature will revert to the lowest common denominator = simplicity -

Best Wishes,
ONASIS - The Golden Greek

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')There's nothing Americans have to fall back on when their system falls apart. They have no such thing we call "culture". Therefor they're the only ones who should really fear the effects of PO.