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Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby timmac » Tue 25 May 2010, 23:14:46

Just thought I would start a thread about 2012, I myself am in the middle of the road about this, I don't want to call it bunk but don't want to say its real, to much evidence says its real and to much evidence says its bunk.

Things sure have changed around the world just in the last 2 years, economies collapsing, oil going over $145 a barrel for a spell, world seed bank built under ground [why], food shortages, global warming, wars and soon to be wars, oil spills, terrorism and the list goes on, many say this is the buildup for 2012, is it or not ??

What is your take, post some threads.....

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread531332/pg1

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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby shortonsense » Tue 25 May 2010, 23:26:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'J')ust thought I would start a thread about 2012, I myself am in the middle of the road about this, I don't want to call it bunk but don't want to say its real, to much evidence says its real and to much evidence says its bunk.



Here comes the brown dwarf, Planet X! :lol: :lol:

Just out of curiosity, what particular evidence says this is true? Did someone get one of those old Mayan dudes on a lie detector before his civilization decided to stop plotting out the calender, inadvertently causing panic and hysteria among American crackpot enthusiasts? Secret scrolls from Atlantis? Recently decoded Egyptian pyramid scribblings? Did someone throw some chicken bones into a bowl and read them?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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Re: Do you beleave in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby jbrovont » Tue 25 May 2010, 23:30:12

The best evidence I can find supporting the 2012 catastrophy theory has to do with the Earth crossing what's called the galactic equator. Just like the Earth, the Milky Way has an axis of spin and concomitant electrical and magnetic fields. Astronomical bodies tend to orient their own fields with the fields of their surrounding space - what happens when we pass through the galactic equator and the Earth's fields start wanting to "flip" to get back in alignment? No one can really be sure since there isn't a solid example in recorded history. Maybe nothing, or the changes are so slow and subtle that it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. OTOH, maybe the core of the Earth, being a large magnetic body, develops an off axis wobble and all the volcanoes in the world simultaneously reactivate. One thing is for certain though: the Earth is already near enough to the transition zone that whatever effects there are (if any), we should already be, or begin to be seeing, very shortly.

That's the best I've got withough invoking any parapsychology.
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby timmac » Tue 25 May 2010, 23:35:58

2012: Science or Superstition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DylQeMx6hY


SOS please don't flame this post with your bullshit, I am just starting a thread about 2012 and what other P.O. posters believe it to be, I don't have proff either way of its fact or false...
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby timmac » Tue 25 May 2010, 23:56:44

2012 - Consciousness is the key


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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 26 May 2010, 00:06:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '2')012: Science or Superstition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DylQeMx6hY


SOS please don't flame this post with your bullshit, I am just starting a thread about 2012 and what other P.O. posters believe it to be, I don't have proff either way of its fact or false...


Asking questions exactly in the tone of the topic is not flaming. But if you were actually SERIOUS about a topic like this one, well then, I shall be serious.

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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Wed 26 May 2010, 00:51:03

Doom by 2012? You mean other than we will have used another 60-90 billion barrels of oil by then, or that if the GOM disaster continues much of North America's sea life will be dead, or that we will be 3 years further down the road towards global warming, or that bio-diversity will continue to be lost at an alarming rate. Not to mention ongoing problems with acid rain, peak fish, soil erosion, water shortages, war, poverty, AIDS, ect, ect ad infinitum?

Conversely, we'll have faster computers, better video games, more scientific knowledge of the Universe, higher definition televisions, more 3D movies, another US election year, ect, ect.

Some good, some bad, somehow I think society will eck by in some form or another. (The Mayan's were a pre-science, pre-industrial civilization who had no real scientific understading of how the Universe works; why would we believe anything they said given this fact??)
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby virgincrude » Wed 26 May 2010, 03:44:41

timmac it depends which 2012 earth change scenario/theory you’re talking about: C. J. Calleman’s interpretation of the Mayan calendar, or the easier to understand pole shift/earth axis calamity?

Here’s a link explaining what the latest interpretations of the Mayan calendar mean:
http://www.paulapeterson.com/New_Revelations_Mayan_Calendar.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')“The actual pattern of Creation described by the Mayan calendar looks like a pyramid which consists of nine levels or cycles. The bottom level or cycle in the pyramid represents the longest period of time, i.e., 16.4 billion years ago and is called the Cellular level of Creation (first live cells). The second level or cycle from the bottom of the pyramid is 20 times shorter, i.e., 840 million years ago and is called the Mammalian level of Creation (first live births).

Continuing up the pyramid in this fashion with each level becoming 20 times shorter than the latter, the third level ,i.e., 41 million years ago is the Family level (family relationships). The fourth level, i.e., 2 million years ago, is the Tribal level (Homo Sapiens/tools). The fifth level, i.e., 102,000 years ago is the Cultural level (agriculture/religion). The sixth level, i.e., 5,116 years ago is the National level (sovereign nations/laws). The seventh level, i.e., 1755 AD is the planetary level (internet/global economy). The eighth level, January 4, 1999, is the Galactic level (ethical considerations). And the ninth level, i.e., February 10, 2011, is the Universal level (conscious co-creation).”


People don’t realise that the Mayan ‘prophecies’ don’t say anything about the end of the world, so no cataclysmic end-times scenario. The Mayans believed what they observed in the heavens is reflected down below (as above, so below) within each human. And most people find it hard to accept that what the Mayan’s observed in the solar system was very different to what we can see today, you can check out W. Thornhill’s theories for an easy to understand explanation of this. If the Electric Universe/catastrophist explanations are correct (and they make absolute sense to me) then we don’t have to worry about planets colliding in 2012 but we shouldn’t ignore the influence of planetary interaction on our atmosphere, at every level. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwMDYNRZUKY

Those who dismiss the Mayan’s or the Egyptians as a bunch of backward star gazers just fall into the trap of believing modern science has actually discovered and explained everything on earth to eveybody’s satisfaction. It hasn’t. Today, if a scientist says it is so, then we all assume he is as wise as the temple hermit of more simple times, who in fact he ressembles in his social role. New theories of biology and evolution are revolutionising the established paradigm, giving us more holistic explanations and challenging the status quo. http://www.thelivingmatrixmovie.com/bruce-lipton

To understand the many theories surrounding the magical date of 2012 I don’t think you have to spend hours poring over ancient scripts or reading astrophysical data. It can be summed up thus: we are coming to the fulfillment of an evolution in consciousness, we’re not all reaching there at the same time and we can definitely still fcuk up a bit more. This consciousness evolution involves something a huge number of people are really resistent to: change. As the word ‘conscious’ implies, this is not something which will happen by itself. As Calleman says: “many people ask this question as if the answer had nothing to do with themselves or the choices they make.” So you better get with it, if you really want to see some ‘change we can believe in’!

To me, this whole end times 2012 hype reflects the global human dis-ease which most people on PO are aware of. I believe we are conscious of a sense of decay all around us. Some people perceive it cleary through things like climate awareness and ecological disaster, some people understand only the collapse of Wall Street, others feel despair at the decadence of established ‘democratic’ politics obvious throughout the Western world and some see it as the inexorable rise of general illness and life threatening conditions such as diabetes, obesity, cancer and hypertension. Here on PO the majority see it as the end of global energy resources. All these things put together equals humanity in crisis and we all subconsciously know that more weapons, more money, more politicians …. in short more of the same is not going to change anything. So what is?

I think 2012 is about changing our selves in order to save ourselves. So, yeah I DO believe in earth change, though I’m not so sure we’ve got the date right!
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby timmac » Wed 26 May 2010, 11:32:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uoted by virgincrude
People don’t realise that the Mayan ‘prophecies’ don’t say anything about the end of the world, so no cataclysmic end-times scenario.


I don't see it as end of the world either, I think it my be more of a consciousness by means of people actually changing the way we live, we might see some strange weather patterns in the coming years and maybe more large earthquakes and such but not the end.

Maybe a new beginning ?
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Wed 26 May 2010, 18:14:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uoted by virgincrude
People don’t realise that the Mayan ‘prophecies’ don’t say anything about the end of the world, so no cataclysmic end-times scenario.


I don't see it as end of the world either, I think it my be more of a consciousness by means of people actually changing the way we live, we might see some strange weather patterns in the coming years and maybe more large earthquakes and such but not the end.

Maybe a new beginning ?

Beginning of what?

And when will it happen? At exactly 12 AM on December 21, 2012?

Seriously. Grow up!
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby yeahbut » Wed 26 May 2010, 18:50:16

This date will pass like all the other apocalypse/dawning of a new age/fundamental shift dates that people have hung their hopes or fears on thru the ages. The one prediction I feel confident in making? Come 2013 and the dreaded/hoped for events having failed to transpire, there will not be hordes of sheepish 2012ers holding up their hands and conceding they might have got a little bit overexcited. It'll be we got the date wrong...or we misinterpreted the Mayan calendar...or just straight on to the next significant date with never a backward glance.
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 26 May 2010, 19:22:35

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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby the48thronin » Wed 26 May 2010, 21:40:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you believe in 2012 earth change ?

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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby galacticsurfer » Thu 27 May 2010, 09:08:39

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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby galacticsurfer » Thu 27 May 2010, 09:13:52

The center of the Galaxy is a black hole which presumably is the largest object in our Galaxy, equivalent to God , perhaps to the Maya. If the huge gravity waves from the galactic center have any effect on earth then perhaps more when earth is aligned in a certain way to it in time (like tuning in a radio for example). This might be how astrology works, when it does. For example person X is born with planet Y in a certain postion. After X years planet Y returns to said position and effects said person more strongly in this time period, like by radio waves. Presumably, like all other ancient peoples the maya believed in astrology. They however did not just limit this to planets but took in all the stars and extreme long term cycles were based on Milky way star cycles and external star groupings ( I am no astronomer and imaging e they could only see the visible stars). So starting with 28 day moon cycle effect on people going outwards to farthest stellar constellation they made higher levels on their calendar. Fairly simple idea to order everything top to bottom. Then they relate these cyles, as do all astrologists, to human condition. Moon is very much a personal planet, Outer planets are more for societal change (saturn, Jupiter) and stars are probably more responsible for civilizational decline and rise (rome, Egypt). So I think if this particular cycle is say 5000 years long, it is not about one day but rather maybe plus minus several hundred years from this point when we can expect a grand civilizational rise and decline of modern ideas, which is what we are in fact observing.
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 27 May 2010, 09:58:26

My opinion?

Something interesting will happen in 2012.
Believers will yell, "told ya"...

or

Nothing interesting will happen in 2012.
Someone will write a book, "OMG OMG OMG, the world will end in 2020!!!" and make millions.

Myself, I don't buy numerology type things and this reeks of it.
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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby the48thronin » Thu 27 May 2010, 14:05:36

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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby TITAN » Fri 28 May 2010, 23:45:06

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Re: Do you believe in 2012 earth change ?

Unread postby americandream » Sat 29 May 2010, 00:47:04

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