[Newfie]

I am going to cross post this from another thread because I think it germane here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y thought is that this may hasten some solar/wind/whatever development.

I use archaic Excite for a home page and there I get a synopsis of AP news headlines. Note that the GOM incident is not even listed on World News and is after the Times Square idiot in National News.

This gives me the sense that we here at PO are more aware and concerned than the public in general. I heard a talk show yesterday where a caller said that, after this incident "maybe we need to think more about the longer term consequences of our actions." Well........duuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Yha think?

World News - Associated Press May 4, 5:01 pm ET
• Iran's president defiant in face of new sanctions
• Shiite militia reviving in post-election Iraq
• Thai protesters welcome PM's offer, want details
• Honduras starts coup investigation with US support
National News - Associated Press May 4, 5:20 pm ET
• Times Square bomb suspect charged with terrorism
• Delicate work unfolds a mile beneath Gulf
• Rescuers pray for no more victims in Tenn. floods
• Philadelphia chief backs officer who Tasered fan
Political News - Associated Press May 4, 5:34 pm ET
• WH pushes to lift liability limit for Gulf spill
• Obama asks Hawaiians to back Democrat for Congress
• Indiana, NC, Ohio choose party nominees
• Times Square bomb suspect faces terror charges

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Buggy', 'I')'m pissed. I am beyond pissed. The MSM is a simple pawn to a corrupt government. We are fighting two deadly wars, killing the gulf with gushing oil, Europe is practically burning, and the best our MSM can offer us is headlines on a jack-ass who scored a clunker off Craig's List, went to the store and bought some propane tanks, M-80s and a used alarm clock from a thrift store!?!?!?!? Nobody even came close to dying!!!! The street vendor who spotted the smoke is a damned celebrity!!!! The thing never would have blown!!!! And New York wants money to fight what????? I built better bombs with acid and tin foil when I was a kid!!!!!!! I need a drink.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'M')y point is, don't trust information based solely on the source, whether it be MSM or alternative sources. Stop the binary right/wrong thinking. Take what works, and leave the rest.

[mcgowanjm]

Another day closer to death of the MS River Delta
and then the GOM.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')BP Knew of Problems with Oil Rig Equipment Years before Transocean Explosion

It now turns out that BP was aware of problems on the kind of blowout preventer that was installed on the oil rig Deepwater Horizon, at least a decade before the oil rig explosion.

Back in 2000, BP informed Transocean that there were problems with the blowout preventer on its rig, the Discover Enterprise. BP issued a notice of default to Transocean, and the latter admitted that there were issues with the blowout preventer. While BP was finding out about the problems with the blowout preventer on the Discover Enterprise, the same blowout preventer was being installed on the Deepwater Horizon, the semisubmersible offshore rig that blew up in the Gulf of Mexico this month. The blowout preventer was manufactured by Houston-based Cameron International. and Hydril. which is now owned by BP.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"I don't think they're going to be able to put the leak out until the reservoir depletes," Simmons said. "It's just too technically challenging."

[mcgowanjm]

Like the Soviets not talking about Chernobyl.

It'll go away. And I've yet to see here why shaped charges,
which I just found out that BP, et al know ALL about
are not up for discussion.

[Mesuge]

Is the msm which is on the tight leash of PTB trying to downplay the oil spill coverage, sure. Are the U.S. media worse than other int. outlets, sure, we got daily coverage in print and TV in Europe with detailed updates about the situation.

But, frankly there is also a lot true to the directly observable proportion of the danger argument. Specifically, and in contrast, imagine the recent LA fires situation, semi-naked pornstars covered in ash are all over the TV channels, choppers flying, governators talking, humanoid's property vanishing, the taste of direct danger is in the air.

Now, contrast it with a spill of heavy crude, which goes like iceberg largely underwater, changes shape and volume daily, no big landfall as of now on the coast, no direct people's property damage as of now, who's worried about turtle's habitat?, only few pinkos and asorted freaks. In summary, basically this is a no event for the msm, especially the U.S. one to cover at the moment, at least the first days offered images of the burning rig, now it's beyond boring..

So, this is very much like the PO aftermath will be played, people will react only and if direct observable danger is present, which could be of tangetial and/or symptomatic nature only, not the real cause.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', ' ')In summary, basically this is a no event for the msm, especially the U.S. one to cover at the moment, at least the first days offered images of the burning rig, now it's beyond boring..

So, this is very much like the PO aftermath will be played, people will react only and if direct observable danger is present, which could be of tangetial and/or symptomatic nature only, not the real cause.

[mcgowanjm]

Mike Ruppert, on Top of this since 9/11:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Worse: Napolitano and Salazar are already talking about huge claim funds. Massive class-actions against BP are starting. Insurance claims may well dwarf Katrina. The economy of the entire Gulf Coast is in jeopardy. From what I heard there is no real plan to stop the leak and no estimation as to when that will happen. (I might have missed that.) What happens when the slick hits Cuba? The rest of the Caribbean?

The current fradulent Wall Street bubble will pop in shorter order than anticipated.

Within about a week, man's greed and reach for energy have found natural and unyielding limits. Two coal mine disasters and an oil slick that will cause as yet unknown catastrophic damage, loss of life and property. And yet there are still those in this movement who think we need to argue with people who believe there's plenty of easy oil about anything.

It would be so poetic if history recorded that this was the event that marked the cliff edge of human industrial civilization. Maybe then someone will get the point. Maybe then we will find our hundredth monkey... And maybe Mother Earth will have poisoned us with the substance we have so greedily raped her -- and killed each other -- for...

[mcgowanjm]

And of course the Tell on the Media Lying by Silence
are the Lame Stories they're putting in place.

Like a Chernobyl 41 miles South of the MS River Mouth
is just so mundane. With only a robot placed compromised infrastructure keeping this thing from turning into a full on 160 000 BBL per Day gusher.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') beat them to the punch. CNN is still lying on the air about it. It must be ten times worse than we know. That flow rate will cause a panic. And here it is... EPA just said no idea when the blowout would be contained just now. The flow rate equals one Exxon Valdez every ten days until stopped.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... theadlines

[mcgowanjm]

And I'm telling you we're in the SciFi Movie of All
Time:

Someone in the US Navy and higher is thinking about this:

Quote:
You are talking about a desperate gamble to save life on earth.

And even if it DOES work, the world's governments would need to stop ALL deepwater oil drilling immediately and permanently. And what does THAT do to Peak Oil?

Earlier, I was calling this situation a clusterfuck. Now I realize that it is more like armageddon. Shocked

Mother Earth, "You want oil....?"

[mcgowanjm]

Note not one word from our US Navy on Shaped charges, ROV's, Conventional
Explosive Ordnance, DU Aircraft carrier Torpedoes and ONLY ONLY ONLY after the GOM has been announced
that it is on it's Death Bed (say TWO WEEKS from now:}

NUKE it.

Why do geniuses find this arguement that this OIL
is KILLING the GOM so hard to follow?

When does this stop?

And that it's headed to Key West?

I really need an answer on the ignorance here.

As adults know, hope is for little kids and tooth fairies.

Why do you folks Continue to believe BigOil?
When us Dirty Fu.ckin' Hippies have been right
about offshore drilling for 40 years.

Can Louisiana/GOM get more polluted?

Two more weeks and it's dead. What part of this are you having problems with?

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')
In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, Scott Bickford, a lawyer for a rig worker who survived the explosions, said the mud was being extracted from the riser before the top cement cap was in place, and a statement by cementing contractor Halliburton confirmed the top cap was not installed.

[mcgowanjm]

National Wildlife Federation explaining to CNN
this AM:

"It'll take months to recover."

BWAHAHAHAHAHA you wish. The GOM
will be dead in two weeks. Sooner if the BOP
blows and the Navy refuses to blow it in.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')BP declined to answer questions(about when it will disappear from the face of the Earth;} about exactly how far along they were in the process of closing the well head 5,000 feet below the Deepwater Horizon rig when the explosion occurred.

But Halliburton said in a statement that it had completed pouring cement that lines the well 20 hours before the blowout. After that cement lining is done, the federal Minerals Management Service requires at least two prefabricated cement plugs to be placed at the bottom of the well and farther up, with mud packed in between. Halliburton's official statement shows there was still one more cement plug to be inserted.

"Well operations had not yet reached the point requiring the placement of the final cement plug which would enable the planned temporary abandonment of the well, consistent with normal oilfield practice," the Halliburton statement said.

[mcgowanjm]

Just look at All the info TV/Media have about
zero% chance of covering as the GOM
dies before our eyes.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')But shear rams have a weakness. They are not engineered to cut through tool joints, the knuckles where sections of the drill pipe are connected every 30 feet. That means that about 10 percent of a pipe is made up of tool joints that a shear ram isn't strong enough to penetrate, said Per Holand, a drilling expert from Norway who has advised the MMS.

"If they do not know the exact location of the tool joint, they would normally close a pipe ram and lower the drillpipe until it stops against the pipe ram to ensure that the shear blind ram does not hit a tool joint," Holand said. "This may of course be difficult if you have a crisis on the rig."

The removal of the mud could have limited the amount of time the crew had to work through the process Holand described.

The shear ram is activated by a button on a control panel on the drill ship. An MMS safety alert in 2000 urged drill operators on the Outer Continental Shelf to have a backup method for activating the blowout preventer.

Blowout preventer backup not required

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') The emergency document also states that the spill has grown in size so quickly that only 1 to 2 percent of it has been sprayed with dispersants. The Press-Register obtained the emergency report from a government official. The White House, NOAA, the Coast Guard and BP Plc did not immediately return calls for comment made early this morning. The worst-case scenario for the broken and leaking well pouring oil into the Gulf of Mexico would be the loss of the wellhead and kinked piping currently restricting the flow to 5,000 barrels - or 210,000 gallons - per day.

If that happens, according to this article from Pure Energy Systems, you can turn out the lights, because we're all done. Birds, bees, you, me, and everything else on planet Earth could be facing mass extinction:

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o contain a spill, the main thing you need is a lot of rubber, long skirts of it called a "boom." Quickly surround a spill, leak or burst, then pump it out into skimmers, or disperse it, sink it or burn it. Simple.

But there's one thing about the rubber skirts: you've got to have lots of them at the ready, with crews on standby in helicopters and on containment barges ready to roll. They have to be in place round the clock, all the time, just like a fire department, even when all is operating A-O.K. Because rapid response is the key. In Alaska, that was BP's job, as principal owner of the pipeline consortium Alyeska. It is, as well, BP's job in the Gulf, as principal lessee of the deepwater oil concession.

[mcgowanjm]

I think we should try this on Atlantis right now.

You know a real time test. Just to make sure these things are working. :

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Even if a tool joint wasn't in its way, the shear ram may not have been strong enough to cut through the pipe under the intense conditions at the bottom of the sea, where fluid inside the well bore may be as hot as 400 degrees and the water on the seabed outside can be just above freezing. The shear rams are rarely, if ever, put to the test in real-life emergencies.

[mcgowanjm]

My Favorite school. My favorite city. Loved going there when
the GOM was still alive:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a September 2004 study for the MMS, researchers from WEST Engineering found that BOP manufacturers were not using the best models for calculating the necessary force and were not adjusting the force according to different types of pipes.

With all of these potential Achilles' heels, it's amazing that oil companies and regulators haven't prepared for the possibility that all of the redundant protections could fail at once, said Mark Davis, director of the Institute on Water Resources Law and Policy at Tulane University Law School.

[mcgowanjm]

No Media Blackout here. I can do this all day.

Give PO all the input it can handle:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')efore the Exxon Valdez grounding, BP's Alyeska group claimed it had these full-time, oil spill response crews. Alyeska had hired Alaskan natives, trained them to drop from helicopters into the freezing water and set booms in case of emergency. Alyeska also certified in writing that a containment barge with equipment was within five hours sailing of any point in the Prince William Sound. Alyeska also told the state and federal government it had plenty of boom and equipment cached on Bligh Island.

But it was all a lie. On that March night in 1989 when the Exxon Valdez hit Bligh Reef in the Prince William Sound, the BP group had, in fact, not a lick of boom there. And Alyeska had fired the natives who had manned the full-time response teams, replacing them with phantom crews, lists of untrained employees with no idea how to control a spill. And that containment barge at the ready was, in fact, laid up in a drydock in Cordova, locked under ice, 12 hours away.