[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'O')KIE DOKIE.

First, Starvation taking place in America. I can't convince
you of 9/11, the Federal Reserve is a RICO, Climate Change, World PO in 2005, US PO in1971,
the Sixth Extinction, or that the US is an Empire.

[JustaGirl]

I have to wonder how "great" the depression would have been if the dust bowl had not happened. 27 states were severely affected by it. Just a thought.

[Ludi]

Update on peakoil.com's credibility:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'H')ere's the belated tally through March: 181 predictions, 5 rights, 50 wrong, 126 open. The theme of March was famine, hunger, empty shelves, etc. Didn't happen.

There are only 3 predictions for April, and then most of them are for December 31.

Yep, listen to this board.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'U')pdate on peakoil.com's credibility:

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')The bold predictions thread is a disgrace to po.com

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustaGirl', 'I') have to wonder how "great" the depression would have been if the dust bowl had not happened. 27 states were severely affected by it. Just a thought.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'U')pdate on peakoil.com's credibility:

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')What REALLY causes peak oil credibility problems, in general, is that the crackpottery brigades tend to have a high volume level, they make up cool sounding and sometimes plausible scenarios, and then they try and one up each other until a perfectly predictable result occurs.....the loudest and most ridiculous wins.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')What REALLY causes peak oil credibility problems, in general, is that the crackpottery brigades tend to have a high volume level, they make up cool sounding and sometimes plausible scenarios, and then they try and one up each other until a perfectly predictable result occurs.....the loudest and most ridiculous wins.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')What REALLY causes peak oil credibility problems, in general, is that the crackpottery brigades tend to have a high volume level, they make up cool sounding and sometimes plausible scenarios, and then they try and one up each other until a perfectly predictable result occurs.....the loudest and most ridiculous wins.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoS', '&')quot;there is no evidence a plane hit the pentagon!"

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoS', '&')quot;there is no evidence a plane hit the pentagon!"

[bl00k]

Everybody knows what ticks people off when talking about peak oil. It's the unrealistic sounding doomer prediction. People don't like to be told something extremely negative which contradicts or shocks them to their very core. It's a major case of cognitive dissonance.

Thats human nature apparently so no use in discussing.

The solution lies in toning down the negativity without lying. It lies in refraining from sounding very certain while making (doom-)predictions. It lies in letting the people decide for themselves whats wrong and whats not. You have to talk in terms of what is important to the people or in terms of what they fear.

Take for instance the anti-muslim sentiment which is apparent in most Western countries. Everybody knows a lot of oil producing countries are mostly Islamic countries and most Western countries import oil from them one way or another. This means that Western consumers are funding these Islamic countries and their corrupt leaders by consuming oil (truth is not important, it's the beliefs people hold to be true). I always like to point out that my country (Netherlands) imports oil from Iraq (not much, but still), clearly supporting some 'bad' people financially. Apart from that it's country specific what will work and what wont. The Netherlands has a sizeable support for environmental movements, which obviously holds the same views against consuming oil.

OK, so thats an argument for ending our oil dependence. I don't think you can make a convincing enough point to prove that oil will peak or has peaked until it actually is clear and is felt directly by the people. I fear only an oil shock will be enough to get things started right now. I'm talking 1973. A slowly increasing gasoline price is far less impressive, annoying as it is for most motorists.

As far as association with 'conspiracy theorists' I think we'll just have to be careful. For instance, when talking about Iraq. Whats weird about a country wanting to secure resources anyway? It's the most basic strategic move anyone could make. Furthermore it's not like America is 'stealing' oil, it has to pay like all other buyers of Iraqi oil. Just as the US has invaded Iraq, Russia bullies Georgia for having an alternative route for Caspian Sea oil.

The main thing here is to stop condeming these actions too clearly. Try being more neutral while still remaining authentic.

[mcgowanjm]

^
^
^
l
l___$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The solution lies in toning down the negativity without lying. It lies in refraining from sounding very certain while making (doom-)predictions. It lies in letting the people decide for themselves whats wrong and whats not. You have to talk in terms of what is important to the people or in terms of what they fear.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')But then you go full circle. No need to do anything.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')The conversation you wish for should've taken place between Carter's Malaise Speech and Bush/Reagan's October Surprise (Iran Hostages released 25 minutes after Reagan Inaugurated).

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')If we're just delivering a death sentence then there is little to be gained in telling people.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')If we're just delivering a death sentence then there is little to be gained in telling people.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')If we're just delivering a death sentence then there is little to be gained in telling people.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')If we're just delivering a death sentence then there is little to be gained in telling people.