[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y goal is to build a passive solar house at least 3,000 sqft

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y goal is to build a passive solar house at least 3,000 sqft

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')First I enjoy working and investing in oil.
...
Second a lot of post-peak preps costs money. The oil industry pays very well.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y goal is to build a passive solar house at least 3,000 sqft

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')Pragmatically speaking, that might be good for you, but you ain't no role model in my book.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')Do they sleep at yours? If you're thinking of such a large passive solar house, you may just need them round every night in winter to ensure the temperature stays up

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'B')esides a couple of strategically placed vogelzang wood stoves and an endless supply of pinon pine can provide a lot of warmth.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')Fine, just don't call it passive solar then.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'L')et's not attribute undue significance to this site due to its domain. When this site was founded, perhaps it could claim to have a bigger slice of the pie, but these days there are so many directions in which people are bombarded with peak oil information, from books to documentaries to (yes, even MSM) news articles, to Transition booths at energy or farming fairs. This site could go offline tomorrow along with LATOC and TOD and there would still be plenty of avenues for people to learn about peak oil and limits to growth.

So the whole notion of the utility of a site like this (or even The Oil Drum) is questionable. The growing consensus is that "the converted" should log off of the damn internet and work with their neighbors. That's what Heinberg, Greer, Astyk, and just about everyone else are harping on about lately. And maybe if the neighbors just can't be reached, then move to a place where the people are more in tune with the message, and then get on with it.

Guess what, a lot of people, including those organic farmers you deride, are doing just that. They aren't wasting their time in flamewars with shorty and company. They are getting busy.

This site is kind of the purgatory for doomers who for whatever reason can't or won't find local support networks. It is not and will never be the driving force of peak-dom or social change. Few of the transition towners I've met in my travels even lurk here.

I lowered my expectations for this site some time ago. It's a glorified chatroom with a handful of weirdos who are loosely bound together with the common theme of peak oil, and yet who diverge so strongly on their underlying ideologies that they can't stop lunging at each other's throats. That's all it is.

The problem is I think some people are still in a 2004 sort of mindset of thinking about doom in a strictly theoretical/abstract context, for the purpose of future-prediction, and therefore they are merely analyzing the data rather than actually acting. That is the context in which this site was founded, or The Oil Drum, and we're in the age of consequences now. Make a plan and work it, as Pops says.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')Fine, just don't call it passive solar then.

[cipi604]

From my standing point of view, this website doesn't have that much activity and peak-oil won't be 'The main event' until we have huge shortages of liquid fuels on the market, no matter the price, and everyone finds out what that does mean to them.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')I happen to know quite a lot about it. Envisaging using two stoves and endless supplies of wood is not part of it.

If you want, you can ask my mate who twice won the International Passive Solar house competition.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', 'F')rom my standing point of view, this website doesn't have that much activity and peak-oil won't be 'The main event' until we have huge shortages of liquid fuels on the market, no matter the price, and everyone finds out what that does mean to them.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')Remember I am young. I am going to have a house full of kiddos.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')I happen to know quite a lot about it. Envisaging using two stoves and endless supplies of wood is not part of it.

If you want, you can ask my mate who twice won the International Passive Solar house competition.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')I'd MUCH rather be an organic farmer at this point in history than a useless academic. Or soon-to-be-made-obsolete oil industry worker....

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')I'd MUCH rather be an organic farmer at this point in history than a useless academic. Or soon-to-be-made-obsolete oil industry worker....

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')I'd MUCH rather be an organic farmer at this point in history than a useless academic. Or soon-to-be-made-obsolete oil industry worker....

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')You conveniently deleted the fact that my family has been doing it over 60 years.

[AAA]

This is why PO has credibility issues.

davep attacks me because I want to have 2 wood stoves in my passive solar house. I have seen hundreds of passive solar house plans and I don’t recall seeing 1 plan that doesn’t include fireplaces or wood stoves. When a winter storm hangs around and you don’t see sunlight for 8 days good luck trying to stay warm.

Loki and JJ attacks me because I actually spread the word of peak oil to people in Southern California and across the US and Canada. I didn’t know we were suppose to keep it some big secret and let the rest of the world perish while we hide in the corner laughing because we knew what would happen.

Ludi attacks me because I want to have a family. I didn’t know the PO community limited child births much like China and if you actually want to have a family then you get reprimanded.

mos6507 attacks me because I work in the oil industry. Its easy to forget that everything is either made using oil or shipped using oil. Name me one product or produce in the US that is not dependent on oil. Name one person in the US that doesn’t use oil.

If I live a full life I will be on earth at least another 60 years. Most of you are much older and don’t have to think about long-term planning. I am one of the few who are slowly changing their entire lives because I feel peak oil will be an issue. I don’t anticipate any type of sudden collapse but I think oil prices will continue their hike up long-term and change our way of life mainly how food is transported and the JIT Economy the US has created.

I’m not some hippie, organic purist, or radical environmentalist. I am just a regular guy who thinks PO is bad enough to take it seriously. You guys can attack me all you want but I have accomplished more in the last 5 years then many of you have in the last 20 years. I have done it through hard work and setting my priorities right. It’s nothing to brag about but just the facts. So attack all you want. I’m not sure if it is jealousy or just ignorance but whatever your reasoning for wanting to attack me is your problem.