[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '
')A group would be better prepared to face hard times, more flexible and resilient, if all adult members are prepared to do the necessary work.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')I'm not giving Erkel or Paris Hilton guard duty unless I have no choice. I don't care how eager they are to help out.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') think that there will be a return to moderate patriachy out of necessity to protect the family and clan group

[SeaGypsy]

The posts relating to capacity for real productive work, regardless of gender, seem more relevant to future endgame survival scenarios than banter about stereotypes.
I think there is no evidence that either gender is more or less capable of real, hard productive work. It pays to remember that work is peak oil's essence and key challenge. Those of us who have taken the time to study it, regardless of being moderately corny or downright doomers understand that large chunks of what we currently take for granted will not be a part of our long term future as a species post peak oil. Hard work will once again be essential to our success, in the way it always has been/ right up unto the oil age where some of us have had the privelege of doing 'hard work' sitting at a desk or driving machines around. The oil age has skewed our status grouping utterly and profoundly. There are many millions of people at the top of the heap who would have not gotten anywhere near it in any other age. Phantom carrying capacity has also led to phantom status; in a very large way. The entire paradigm will be thrown out the window as energy (work) is entirely re-valued. I doubt gender has much to do with who will be winners or losers in the end game.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')I think there is no evidence that either gender is more or less capable of real, hard productive work.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')I think there is no evidence that either gender is more or less capable of real, hard productive work.

[Ayame]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') think that there will be a return to moderate patriachy out of necessity to protect the family and clan group

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', ' ')I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[Ludi]

I agree with what you're saying, SeaGypsy.

The ability to make a decision based on knowledge and experience, and the ability to defer to wiser heads, are also skills.

[culicomorpha]

Getting back to the claim made by Last_Historian, that there will be a return to patriarchy, it would useful to look at the definition of the term:
Patriarchy
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1') : social organization marked by the supremacy of the father in the clan or family, the legal dependence of wives and children, and the reckoning of descent and inheritance in the male line; broadly : control by men of a disproportionately large share of power
2 : a society or institution organized according to the principles or practices of patriarchy

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', '
')Since I define freedom in the same way as Cicero, as "participation in power," then there is a direct relationship between the exercise of power and freedom.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Like you're in charge of giving someone guard duty anywhere!

More Zombie Horde fantasy.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', '
')Since I define freedom in the same way as Cicero, as "participation in power," then there is a direct relationship between the exercise of power and freedom.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')No more fantasy than your Anthropik link with its vague platitudes about how we're going to be better as we somehow magically shift back to hunter-gatherer lives

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', '
')Partly I say this out of experience, being involved in a small community that is more or less equally split between men and women. The women have a lot of say about what happens on a day-to-day basis, and the men do not get what they want through the use of violence. Were they to do so, they would be banished. It has already happened.

[culicomorpha]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', '
')Since I define freedom in the same way as Cicero, as "participation in power," then there is a direct relationship between the exercise of power and freedom.

[culicomorpha]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', '
')Partly I say this out of experience, being involved in a small community that is more or less equally split between men and women. The women have a lot of say about what happens on a day-to-day basis, and the men do not get what they want through the use of violence. Were they to do so, they would be banished. It has already happened.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', 'Y')our premise that the inner city is a good model for society in general is totally inapplicable if instead there is a mass migration out of the cities and to farms.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', ' ')Are you suggesting men will take everything for themselves, and leave their wives and children to starve? Sounds like a system with no future.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', ' ')
Wow Mos. You're really not very good at hiding your racism.