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IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 11:04:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ORKTOWN HEIGHTS, N.Y., Feb. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In a just-published paper in the magazine Science, IBM (NYSE: IBM) researchers demonstrated a radio-frequency graphene transistor with the highest cut-off frequency achieved so far for any graphene device - 100 billion cycles/second (100 GigaHertz).

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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 12:40:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ORKTOWN HEIGHTS, N.Y., Feb. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In a just-published paper in the magazine Science, IBM (NYSE: IBM) researchers demonstrated a radio-frequency graphene transistor with the highest cut-off frequency achieved so far for any graphene device - 100 billion cycles/second (100 GigaHertz).

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Made-in-I ... l?x=0&.v=1


Serious question, if they can make them cheaply enough what will they do for technology?
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby Novus » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 13:25:40

It is not even a processor it is just a few atoms vibrating extremely fast. It may become a useful technology at some point but probably not for a long time.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby MD » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 13:46:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ORKTOWN HEIGHTS, N.Y., Feb. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In a just-published paper in the magazine Science, IBM (NYSE: IBM) researchers demonstrated a radio-frequency graphene transistor with the highest cut-off frequency achieved so far for any graphene device - 100 billion cycles/second (100 GigaHertz).

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Made-in-I ... l?x=0&.v=1


Serious question, if they can make them cheaply enough what will they do for technology?


If made commercially viable (with many other technological challenges to be solved) it could be the computer's speed and miniaturization "end game". Think a processor the size of a grain of sand.

Right now it's just lab fun. Commercialization isn't even close to being in view yet.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 13:56:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ORKTOWN HEIGHTS, N.Y., Feb. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In a just-published paper in the magazine Science, IBM (NYSE: IBM) researchers demonstrated a radio-frequency graphene transistor with the highest cut-off frequency achieved so far for any graphene device - 100 billion cycles/second (100 GigaHertz).

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Made-in-I ... l?x=0&.v=1


Serious question, if they can make them cheaply enough what will they do for technology?


If made commercially viable (with many other technological challenges to be solved) it could be the computer's speed and miniaturization "end game". Think a processor the size of a grain of sand.

Right now it's just lab fun. Commercialization isn't even close to being in view yet.


So what is the theoretical LIMIT to computer speed? There has to be an upper limit forced on us by the Universe.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 14:01:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')o what is the theoretical LIMIT to computer speed? There has to be an upper limit forced on us by the Universe.


The amount of cooling you can deploy to keep it from melting.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 16:05:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')o what is the theoretical LIMIT to computer speed? There has to be an upper limit forced on us by the Universe.

No one knows.

Quantum computing is making great strides now. News comes out all the time and computing labs all over the world are working various aspects of QC.

Quantum physics is so mind-boggling and strange that no one really understands it. However, it is theorized that a quantum computer could solve a problem in a few seconds that would take one of today's supercomputers a million years to solve (or could not solve at all). That's no exaggeration.

Some quantum computers exist now but only for very specific types of computing. The goal is to develop one that can be generalized to any sort of computing application.

Now imagine you had generalized quantum computers arrayed to mimic the information-processing capabilities of biological brains. And then imagine you had these quantum brains quickly evolve themselves. It strongly appears that THAT the direction we are headed one way or another, like it or not.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby MD » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 17:46:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')o what is the theoretical LIMIT to computer speed? There has to be an upper limit forced on us by the Universe.

No one knows.

Quantum computing is making great strides now. News comes out all the time and computing labs all over the world are working various aspects of QC.

Quantum physics is so mind-boggling and strange that no one really understands it. However, it is theorized that a quantum computer could solve a problem in a few seconds that would take one of today's supercomputers a million years to solve (or could not solve at all). That's no exaggeration.

Some quantum computers exist now but only for very specific types of computing. The goal is to develop one that can be generalized to any sort of computing application.

Now imagine you had generalized quantum computers arrayed to mimic the information-processing capabilities of biological brains. And then imagine you had these quantum brains quickly evolve themselves. It strongly appears that THAT the direction we are headed one way or another, like it or not.


Brings to mind Isaac Asimov's short story. Don't remember the name but the basic idea is the development of the ultimate super mega computer, tasked to solve the mysteries of the universe. The story ends with the computer coming up with the final answer as entropy winds to it's final universal conclusion many billions of years into the future, proclaiming "let there be light".

A great story...as were most all of Asimov's
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 17:52:11

The answer is 42. Everyone knows this.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 17:57:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '
')Brings to mind Isaac Asimov's short story. Don't remember the name but the basic idea is the development of the ultimate super mega computer, tasked to solve the mysteries of the universe. The story ends with the computer coming up with the final answer as entropy winds to it's final universal conclusion many billions of years into the future, proclaiming "let there be light".

A great story...as were most all of Asimov's


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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby pablonite » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 20:38:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')o what is the theoretical LIMIT to computer speed? There has to be an upper limit forced on us by the Universe.
A 100 gigahertz transistor means in theory you could build a 100 GHz processor and memory but heat is a limiting factor hence the push for supercooled semiconductors. Forget the number of transistors in a modern microP but it's a lot of atoms vibrating in a very small space.

Like carhole alluded to, the LIMIT is only the theoretical maximum frequency of matter and quantum physics.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby fox » Sat 13 Feb 2010, 13:26:20

this process is a wonderful advancement.
the actual CPU speed would be more like 20 GHz.

The real limit is not the hardware but the way the hardware is implemented, and how the software interacts with it.
How well the software is designed to match the way the hardware is designed is the biggest speed bottleneck.There are many good reasons why. This is a very complex subject.
For example most software in the world is designed for 1 core and doesn't scale well into many parallel cores, so adding more cores won't make a noticeable difference.
Another thing is the rest of the system (L1, L2, IO bus, hard drive etc) has to be able to keep the CPU well supplied with input.(instructions and data)
traditionally software design has been 10 to 15 years behind the hardware and this hasn't changed much since the pentium chip in 1995. and even design elements from the 386 from the 1980's is still with us today, hardware and software. the PCI bus was designed in 1993. we still use it today because it serves its purpose still.
Software is expensive to produce and accountants don't like ITC guys spending money on gear. They think we're buying this expensive kit just to have a good gaming rig in mission control.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby kublikhan » Sat 13 Feb 2010, 17:05:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fox', 'S')oftware is expensive to produce and accountants don't like ITC guys spending money on gear. They think we're buying this expensive kit just to have a good gaming rig in mission control.
Shit. Who told 'em?
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 13 Feb 2010, 18:01:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'W')ill it solve Peak Oil ???

The master computer did, yes. We fed all of the variables and our historical records of the earths climate into the best parallel supercomputer farm ever built and the output came in the form of very specific numbers announced by the computer farms owner, the IPCC and their retarded father, the UN.

Off hand, I believe the consensus was %20 reduction in fossil fuels or CO2 output - whatever makes you feel more politcally correct - by 2020 and %55 by 2050.

Seriously, are we supposed to think that was a coincidence before they make peak oil a law?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fox', 'T')hey think we're buying this expensive kit just to have a good gaming rig in mission control.

No joke there, good gaming rigs make the home pc industry go round. The graphics card industry is a beast in itself. In gaming you find some of the best computer programming the world has to offer with the hardware to match. The closest competitor would be high end business machines running very complex algorithms employed in stock market manipulation, forecasting and microsecond short sells that line the halls of private international banking interests around the world. Oh, and for one off supercomputer - data mining ventures of epic proportions we can be sure the NSA owns it lock stock and barrel but of course it never happened. Sometimes I think we need to separate the words "technological" and "advancement" more than "conspiracy" and "theory".
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby Bas » Sun 14 Feb 2010, 11:10:35

I spoke to a computer genius about this a few nights ago, and he told me that at 100 ghz it will interfere with other electronic equipment in the computer and that you need a kind of shielding for it that doesn't exist yet.

Don't ask me why though, this guy is from singapore and his english isn't all that good and neither are his social skills. He always assumes that I know everything about computerscience and quantum effects no matter how often I tell him that I don't.
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 15 Feb 2010, 19:50:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', 'A') 100 gigahertz transistor means in theory you could build a 100 GHz processor and memory but heat is a limiting factor hence the push for supercooled semiconductors.



So, a 100 GHz Pentium chip will be manufactured and my Intel stock will still be worth the same amount as when I first bought 15 years ago. :lol:
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Re: IBM Breakthrough: 100Ghz Graphene Transistor

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 15 Feb 2010, 21:40:15

You need to ask: Why don't I have a 10 GHz CPU right now?

Anyone who has built a few computers would know this.
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