[Tyler_JC]

Haiti just seems like one of those hopeless cases.

There are too many people, too little land, too few domestic resources, and virtually no skills base.

Rebuild? Rebuild what? There wasn't anything there in the first place, just a massive shanty town calling itself a city.

Haiti is a classic example of a demographic trap. There is literally nothing that can be done. It is already too late.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'H')aiti just seems like one of those hopeless cases.

There are too many people, too little land, too few domestic resources, and virtually no skills base.

Rebuild? Rebuild what? There wasn't anything there in the first place, just a massive shanty town calling itself a city.

Haiti is a classic example of a demographic trap. There is literally nothing that can be done. It is already too late.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', ' ')

Rebuild? Rebuild what? There wasn't anything there in the first place, just a massive shanty town calling itself a city.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', ' ')

Rebuild? Rebuild what? There wasn't anything there in the first place, just a massive shanty town calling itself a city.

[Revi]

It's in our self interest to help them out. If they are taken care of in Haiti there will be less incentive to emigrate.

It's like helping out the neighbors when their trailer burns down.

We might not like the way they live, but we have to help them out.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')t's in our self interest to help them out. If they are taken care of in Haiti there will be less incentive to emigrate.

It's like helping out the neighbors when their trailer burns down.

We might not like the way they live, but we have to help them out.

[Pretorian]

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Rebuild? Rebuild what? There wasn't anything there in the first place, just a massive shanty town calling itself a city.

[eastbay]

According to the World Factbook just under 25,000 Haitians are born each month. It's a nation producing essentially nothing whatsoever relying purely on international aid. And now aid will rain in like a major storm encouraging even more births. On a denuded half-island whose carrying capacity is probably less than 1,000. By this time next year their population will far exceed what it is today.

It is a true classic welfare state. It will always be that way.

[Nefarious]

I have to agree with Pretorian and the few others. Let the Haitians take care of the Haitians.They are doomed to begin with. Furnishing resources to them is just delaying the inevitable.We save 100k lives so they can go back to eating mud cakes? Sometimes you have to know when to pull the plug.

Those who say it is just right for us to help them are wrong.That's just a matter of perspective on how you look at it. I will say it is better to say it is the humane thing to do. Sometimes that's not the best course of action in the grand scheme of things.

Some of you worry about future zombies and raiders taking your crops...don't you will give your crops away to be humane to others,then die of starvation with them when it runs out. If you can't be tough emotionally to a people that live a 1000 miles away from you how are you going to be tough enough to turn others away that live close to you that need your food?

Some of you might need to stock up on Prozac so you can deal with being a hard ass in future times so you don't have a mental breakdown

[bluekachina]

The US has 5% of the world's population but consumes 25% of the world's resources. How do you think that works?

Do you think the rest of the world just gives you all the extra out of generosity?

Or are you just a bunch of thieving pirates pillaging the rest of the world.

Since you are seizing the lion's share, don't you think you owe something back?

It looks to me like you are waging a corporate war against the rest of the world to seize it's resources.

Maybe the rest of the world should fight back.

Maybe when you start complaining about it being your money, maybe you ought to realize just where you got it.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bluekachina', '
')Maybe when you start complaining about it being your money, maybe you ought to realize just where you got it.

[timmac]

Speculative reports from Fox news has put the death rate in Haiti at 500,000.. This is not going to play out very well over the coming days..

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bluekachina', 'T')he US has 5% of the world's population but consumes 25% of the world's resources. How do you think that works?

Do you think the rest of the world just gives you all the extra out of generosity?

Or are you just a bunch of thieving pirates pillaging the rest of the world.

[Novus]

I don't watch TV so I am not listening to the bleeding heart retard media right now. Haiti was a basket case before the quake with 9 million living on a tiny island. If half a million died so what? There is 8.5 million left who still can't feed themselves. If half of those died as well maybe the survivors could get on living sustainably but until then they are all just living on borrowed time. Humans need to control the population or nature is going to do it for us. That goes for the rest of the world as well not just Haiti. Billions will die in my lifetime and this little quake will hardly register as a drop in the bucket.

That is the truth people but some people can't handle the truth. Some would rather live in sugar coated fantasy land where everyone can have can many children as they wanted and they would all grow rich off the cornucopia that is their existence. I don't expect the average TV watching sheep to understand this but I do expect the readers of this forum to know. This is a DOOMER forum after all.

[vtsnowedin]

After the US sends in the marines and boat loads of aid and private citizens contribute millions if not billions of their own money there will come a time that the enormity of the problem becomes obvious just like the Mississippi coast after Katrina the mess will be impossible to fix. The effort will grind to a halt. There isn't enough money in the hands of solvent countries that care to begin to fix the damage.
There are threads here about when die off begins and Life after the collapse. For Haiti it begins now and we will end up standing back and watching. The best thing that could be done is ship enough birth control to Haiti so that none of the now twelve and up girls has a baby before they are twenty and then shoot anyone that refuses to use it or interfere with its use. Harsh and impossible to do I know but nothing less will improve their situation. They are doomed.

[hope_full]

I don't think America (as in, the GOVERNMENT) should send aid. That's taxpayer dollars and we're not fiscally sound enough to be giving away money. We'd be borrowing to send not-yet-received income (taxpayer dollars) to Haiti. That is akin to being in foreclosure and bankruptcy, and borrowing on your credit card to help out someone else. You do have an obligation to your creditors to pay your own bills.

I also think that Americans (individuals) should open their hearts and wallets and give what they can, when they can.

Lastly, I'm reminded of what my mother said: Don't make your charitable contribution out of *my* wallet.

If people want to contribute to Haiti, fine, but don't send *my* money (my taxpayer dollars) over there just because it feels like a good thing to do.

[Ainan]

I'm far more concerned about my own country, Great Britain. We too are an island nation which can no longer feed itself without other people's money, and we're deeply in debt. On the upside our population has stabilized so there's a chance for us. However we are being invaded by third worlders who ruined their own countries, dragging our lifeboat down, filling it with water while we bail out as fast as we can. It's only a matter of time until they drag us down and that will be the end of civilisation itself.

[WildRose]

Those who are saying countries like Haiti are a lost cause because they aren't controlling their populations are correct, of course, because
things will never look up for them until they do. The sad thing is, and I have stated this more than once, education and women's rights issues are at the core of the matter. Also, the influence of religion - believing that one should not interfere with the number of babies one could produce - is a belief that worked when the Earth was young and needed populating, but it doesn't work now. Impeding any progress that these nations could make is the fact that many of the people from the first world who go to these countries to help also have the same religious beliefs and won't accept that the birth rates have to come down in order for the people to have any prosperity in the future. It's hard to dig people out of all the trappings of abject poverty which are so deeply ingrained in these people's lives. However, I still think helping is the humane thing to do, especially at a time like this with utter chaos and so much suffering. It's as much what my conscience tells me to do as my heart.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'T')hose who are saying countries like Haiti are a lost cause because they aren't controlling their populations are correct, of course, because
things will never look up for them until they do. The sad thing is, and I have stated this more than once, education and women's rights issues are at the core of the matter. Also, the influence of religion - believing that one should not interfere with the number of babies one could produce - is a belief that worked when the Earth was young and needed populating, but it doesn't work now.