[mgibbons19]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'S')o the answer to the problem is a captain who is hell bent on pursuing this agenda?

At the risk of his equipment? At the risk of his crew?

So when he kills some volunteer on his boat who is simply too idealistic for his own good, that'll be ok?

[SeaGypsy]

If it were that simple it wouldn't be called war, but chess.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')y position is that Shorty is nothing more than a hybrid jellyfish troll, with nothing of worth to contribute to any thread he chooses to vomit into.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')COC prevents me from telling you how I really feel.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')o the world is a reality show for you and everything is joke? It must be pleasant being sedated parasite? Who is Irwin Allen?

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') respect the rules and I expect inappropriate comments to be deleted. But you know what you are.--snip-- You are pretty much alone here

[Quagmire]

These armchair critiques of Paul Watson and SeaSheperd are tedious at best. So he's not perfect? Welcome to the real world. A healthy ego is part of the package. Would you maybe like to compare and contrast his way of doing things with anyone else?
Well, guess what? There are no comparisons to be made, because unfortunately, the truth is, there's no else out there doing what he and his crew are doing. There should be hundreds, thousands even, rising up and taking to the seas. What have we got to lose people? What have we got to gain?
This man has dedicated his life to this cause, and laid his life on the line many times in defense of these magnificent creatures. Working the media is a necessary part, as is fundraising. Hats off to you SeaGypsy for crewing, you have my utmost respect.

And to ShortOcents I say "Begone, you have no power here!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz50_MWWKwg&feature=related
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[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quagmire', '.')These armchair critiques of Paul Watson and SeaSheperd are tedious at best. So he's not perfect? Welcome to the real world. A healthy ego is part of the package. --snip-- Hats off to you SeaGypsy for crewing, you have my utmost respect.

[SeaGypsy]

Possibly because it takes more balls to do something than to sit in an armchair enjoying the show like some choose to do.

[SeaGypsy]

I have been involved in the protest movement since I was a child attending anti apartheid rallies and Hiroshima Nagasaki rallies in the 70's. I have fought over old growth forests for many years and won some significant battles. I have protested against ocean outfall sewage dumping passionately for decades. I have put my neck on the line litterally for other species, as well as what Tanada calls 'enlightened self interest'. A few days on the Sea Shepherd is not a major part of my endeavour.
After all this, I have a very strong understanding of NVA and the power of it.
This is why I am vehemently against corruption of the 'free' media; by such perversions as 9/11 and the Goebbelisation of media generally.
This is why I am on peakoil.com, where free speech is still (most of the time) allowed and encouraged on a broad range of crucial issues for the future of humanity and the planet.
Where trite nonsense opinions are hammered down hard, while opposing sides can voice their strongest views.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') have been involved in the protest movement since I was a child attending anti apartheid rallies and Hiroshima Nagasaki rallies in the 70's.--snip-- Where trite nonsense opinions are hammered down hard, while opposing sides can voice their strongest views.

[SeaGypsy]

Actually I look like a Nazi.
Good point on the scales though shorty. I had exactly this argument with David Suzuki when he was flying around the planet every coupla days to 'talk about climate change'. Eventually he has realised he doesn't really need to do that, although his bank account must have suffered considerably as a consequence.
Human beings are invariably hypocritical at some level. If you can work this one out you may have solved the mystries of the universe.
PS What would be really cool is if the yanks lend us one of those UMAV's.

[Quagmire]

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"Why" ?
Well, Tanada...what stands at True North on your moral compass?
If you don't care about extremely intelligent fellow mammals trying to live their lives in peace while being persued to the ends of the earth by high tech ships using high tech equipment to slaughter them, then what do you care about?

And Short, as for using carbon footprints as an excuse to criticise, what do you think the carbon footprint of a Japanese whaler is?
Carbon footprints? What about Blood Footprints? How big do you think the Blood Footprint of a 2 mile long non-biodegradable fishnet lost at sea, drifting in perpetuity, and killing Everything in its path for years and years is? It is a travelling wall of death, non-selective: sea turtles, fish, dolphins, porpoise, seabirds, everything. Sea Sheperd fights the use of these too.
Would you use the carbon footprint arguement if the issue was rescuing all your relatives or friends from a sure death situation?
Would you use your carbon allotment to maintain your present comfort level, but when it comes to saving whales you would draw the line?

Not that anyone really cares, but I see this particular thread as a litmus test of sorts. It's good to know who's who.
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[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')I witness mass extinction of beautiful animals more precious than all the gold and Ipods we have ever collected. And I have to listen to your Expletive deleted. defense of the slaughter. Go Expletive deleted. yourself boy.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')PS What would be really cool is if the yanks lend us one of those UMAV's.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quagmire', '.')
And Short, as for using carbon footprints as an excuse to criticise, what do you think the carbon footprint of a Japanese whaler is?