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Confederate license plates

Unread postby flapjax » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 11:34:38

Any of you red necks need a new license plate?
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onfederate forces have charged into federal territory and are hailing as victory a recent U.S. District Court's decision in their struggle to get a specialty license plate pushed through the Florida Legislature.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he controversial plate was applied for two years ago. It depicts four flags of the confederacy with "Confederate Heritage" printed below it. It is sponsored by the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Florida.
The organization did all it was required to do. It paid the $60,000 fee, provided a survey that said some 30,000 people would eventually get the plates, submitted the proposal to the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles and waited.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;The sponsoring legislator put it in front of the committee," said Fred O'Neal, a Windermere attorney representing the Sons in the lawsuit, "And the committee chairman said, 'Are you kidding?' It's a political football. Some people just don't want to touch it."
"We're pretty optimistic," O'Neal said. "We're pretty confident that at the end of the day, we are going to get the court to order the director of the department to issue the plate."
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 12:04:18

It's part of US history and cannot/should not be ignored or suppressed. Good people on both sides of the argument died and should be remembered equally.

Perhaps if the South had won the war we the people in our individual and independent states wouldn't be choked by such a bloated Federal Government. Slavery would have been overcome by a pacifist movement just as it was in England.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby flapjax » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 12:26:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'I')t's part of US history and cannot/should not be ignored or suppressed. Good people on both sides of the argument died and should be remembered equally.
Perhaps if the South had won the war we the people in our individual and independent states wouldn't be choked by such a bloated Federal Government. Slavery would have been overcome by a pacifist movement just as it was in England.
I can't agree that because something is "part of history" that it should not be ignored/suppressed. It would seem by your logic that flying a swastika in today's Germany would should be perfectly fine. I'm sure there were "good" Nazis too.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby Stonemason » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 12:40:16

Yea Confederates and Nazis... not quite the same morally. At least most of the Confederates (I'm meaning the poor) could justify what they did as a purely defensive action and had nothing to do with them personally as far as the slavery goes (most here I'm sure are aware that was an afterthought, the war was about the right of secession).

If I lived there, I'd get one if it was possible. Hell I live in Canada and I sometimes wear a grey kepi.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby flapjax » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 12:53:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', 'Y')ea Confederates and Nazis... not quite the same morally. At least most of the Confederates (I'm meaning the poor) could justify what they did as a purely defensive action and had nothing to do with them personally as far as the slavery goes (most here I'm sure are aware that was an afterthought, the war was about the right of secession).
If I lived there, I'd get one if it was possible. Hell I live in Canada and I sometimes wear a grey kepi.
OK, I know that not everyone from the south was a slave owner and I know the civil war was not just about slavery. But for so many, the flag represents just that. But thats fine with you eh, stonemason? If it represents your hue, you might as well get a few hu?
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby Roy » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 14:45:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ny of you red necks need a new license plate?


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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby flapjax » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 15:17:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ny of you red necks need a new license plate?


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Speak up Roy, I didn't catch that.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 20:42:28

The attempted extinction of southern heritage is only one small part of a broader liberal strategy to kill humanities amazing and wonderful diversity through their forced multiculturalism. Usually at gunpoint. Sometimes by court order.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 20:50:59

Don't worry, they'll always have lynyrd skynyrd.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby flapjax » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 21:49:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'D')on't worry, they'll always have lynyrd skynyrd.


Too bad they have been crowned by the confederates. I actully like skynard.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 22:00:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', 'O')K, I know that not everyone from the south was a slave owner and I know the civil war was not just about slavery.



Not just about slavery? So it was about slavery after all huh?


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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby flapjax » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 22:06:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'T')he attempted extinction of southern heritage is only one small part of a broader liberal strategy to kill humanities amazing and wonderful diversity through their forced multiculturalism. Usually at gunpoint. Sometimes by court order.


Hey if you want to live in your old box all your life be my guest. I don't need you to change. But guess what, the American flag flew over the south before the civil war, and it is the flag that flies now. The need to wear the confederate badge speaks to character a specific point in time.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby Nefarious » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 22:12:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', 'O')K, I know that not everyone from the south was a slave owner and I know the civil war was not just about slavery. But for so many, the flag represents just that. But thats fine with you eh, stonemason? If it represents your hue, you might as well get a few hu?


Then they are the ones who are idiots.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 22:50:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ection 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby Cloud9 » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 23:09:08

We ended slavery and state's rights all in the same afternoon.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 00:48:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'W')e ended slavery and state's rights all in the same afternoon.


That's a fair tradeoff in my book.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby flapjax » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 01:10:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', 'O')K, I know that not everyone from the south was a slave owner and I know the civil war was not just about slavery. But for so many, the flag represents just that. But thats fine with you eh, stonemason? If it represents your hue, you might as well get a few hu?


Then they are the ones who are idiots.
As for you comparing my great great grandfather to a Nazis. You sir can kiss my REBEL ASS!!


Spoken like a true patriot.

When I spoke of flying a swastika in today's Germany it was to DomusAlbion's speaking point. Nowhere did I state that the old confederate south resembled Nazi Germany.

The willingness to go against the "ignorant grain" so to speak, in order to prove this particular richeous midset boggles my mind. You are an interesting creature. Besides, no one can remove the slavery issue from the Civil War. Try as you might, Nefariuos the confederate flag will always have that stain.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 02:17:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'T')he attempted extinction of southern heritage is only one small part of a broader liberal strategy to kill humanities amazing and wonderful diversity through their forced multiculturalism. Usually at gunpoint. Sometimes by court order.

+1

Brazil for instance had millions of more slaves than the US ever did, and slavery continued in Brazil for several decades after it was outlawed in the US. Yet today, if you travel to Brazil you will find them remarkably not hung up on racial issues.

However, I have heard several Brazilians complain of American style "multiculturalism" seeping in to Brazil. A trend that if it continues will turn the country in to a racial basket case like the US.
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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby Roy » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 09:26:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ny of you red necks need a new license plate?


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Speak up Roy, I didn't catch that.


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Re: Confederate license plates

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 09:49:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', 'O')K, I know that not everyone from the south was a slave owner and I know the civil war was not just about slavery. But for so many, the flag represents just that. But thats fine with you eh, stonemason? If it represents your hue, you might as well get a few hu?


Then they are the ones who are idiots.
As for you comparing my great great grandfather to a Nazis. You sir can kiss my REBEL ASS!!


Spoken like a true patriot.

When I spoke of flying a swastika in today's Germany it was to DomusAlbion's speaking point. Nowhere did I state that the old confederate south resembled Nazi Germany.

The willingness to go against the "ignorant grain" so to speak, in order to prove this particular richeous midset boggles my mind. You are an interesting creature. Besides, no one can remove the slavery issue from the Civil War. Try as you might, Nefariuos the confederate flag will always have that stain.

Some historians like to dice how the Civil War was about states rights and not slavery, but would the South have been as worried about state's rights if state's rights weren't seen as a defence against slavery being outlawed at the Federal level, or seceeded from the US had Lincoln not been elected. (I'd note that Lincoln's first Vice President was Hannibal Hamlin, an ardent abolitionist).

No not every Southerner owned slaves, but like every good society, the rich who want to go to war because they are worried about their way of life being compromised are always able to find dupes willing to fight for them. You see that now, in the Red southern states where poor and lower middle class ardently support the Republicans and their family "values" (C-street, restroom foot tapping and flying to Brazil notwithstanding) and the idea of less taxes, when in reality the blue states pay more in taxes than the red states who are net recipients of taxes.

I'm not sure how helping the rich helps the poor now, anymore than it did for the poor Southerners who fought for the Confederacy essentially to preserve slavery which was an institution that would tend to depress wages for poor Southern whites.

I say let the South have their heritage license plates. To the NASCAR set the flag represents their southern heritage, to blacks it represents slavery. People are too easily offended at stuff,

To me, it represents how easily people are duped into something that is not in their best interests, and I'd get a good laugh out of it all.
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