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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 08 Dec 2009, 11:58:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')A few of these:
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Shooting people is kind of illegal. Any non-fantasy ideas?


Shooting people in self defense is perfectly legal in most places. I'm sure that's what rangerone314 was talking about here.
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Tue 08 Dec 2009, 13:46:55

These predictions may not come true by the "End of 2009", but they are coming.

And our leader ("The One", the idiot) is helping the situation along quite nicely.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091208/ap_ ... obama_jobs
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 08 Dec 2009, 18:07:03

They are all in, they have no other option but to print more money.
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 08 Dec 2009, 20:36:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Shooting people in self defense is perfectly legal in most places. I'm sure that's what rangerone314 was talking about here.



Uh huh. Sure he is.
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby patience » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 13:06:44

Greece is in trouble.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... nSqw&pos=2

Quote: "“It’s five minutes to midnight for Greece,” Buiter, who will join Citigroup Inc. as its chief economist next month, said in a Bloomberg Television interview today. “We could see our first EU 15 sovereign default since Germany had it in 1948.”

The EU’s economic affairs commissioner said late yesterday that officials are ready to help Greece with its budget deficit after concerns about its public finances sparked a rout in Greek government bonds. Fitch Ratings cut its rating on the nation’s debt yesterday to BBB+ and two other major ratings companies are threatening to follow.

“Default is not unavoidable,” Buiter said. “But unless there are radical fiscal actions, lasting cuts in spending and tax increases of at least 7 percent of GDP, the writing is on the wall” for Greece.

There’s “absolutely” no risk Greece will default, Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou said in an interview today with Bloomberg Television. Greek banks are “fundamentally sound” and Greece will not seek an EU aid package, he said.

Greece, the lowest-rated country in the euro region, is struggling to cut a budget deficit of 12.7 percent of gross domestic product." end quote.

If the world thinks they will default with a deficit of 12.7% of GDP, then Japan is probably next, then either the US or UK? The US deficit for 2010 has been guessed at a couple trillion, and the last GDP figure I saw was something like $14 T, as of 2007, IIRC. GDP has fallen since then, but using the 2007 number, the US $2T deficit would be 14% of GDP. If the US continues on the path we're on, it is bye-bye dollar/govt/economy. Once the US credit rating drops below AAA (or is it Aaa now?), then interest rates will rise and the govt won't be able to find suckers to finance their govt spending. THAT'S when I think the US will come unglued at the seams.

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"Breaking Point 2010

The first decade of the 21st century is going out the same way it came in … with a bust and a bang.

The dot-com bubble burst in 2000, and the Bailout Bubble will bust in 2010.
9/11 terror ushered America into the decade, and terror will strike again before the decade ends.
The decade long wars waged by US and NAT0 against Afghanistan and Iraq are leading the world to the first Great War of the 21st Century.
The 20th century belonged to America, in 2010 Empire America will be breaking apart. The signs are there for all to see.
World leaders and most economists see a very different future unfolding. They insist the financial crisis is over and recovery is on the way.

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War, terror and calamity are not set to time clocks. Anything can happen, anywhere, at anytime. Prepare for the unexpected. It is the close-combat state of mind."
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 14:15:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')In 1920, sending 6 million people to gas chambers was just a fantasy also. Reality not morality dictates action for survivors.


Is that some kind of rationalization for the holocaust? Hitler didn't need to gas the jews to relieve the problem of population overshoot. He did it out of pure hatred and scapegoatism. While I believe ultimately in lifeboat ethics, I am not as flippant about it as you are.
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 17:26:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')In 1920, sending 6 million people to gas chambers was just a fantasy also. Reality not morality dictates action for survivors.


Is that some kind of rationalization for the holocaust? Hitler didn't need to gas the jews to relieve the problem of population overshoot. He did it out of pure hatred and scapegoatism. While I believe ultimately in lifeboat ethics, I am not as flippant about it as you are.

Not a rationalization. I find Hitler (as I find most idiots) rather offensive.

I would have to say if Hitler will send millions of Jews, Poles and Roma to the gas chambers for basically $h1ts and giggles (when it wasn't necessary for survival), when push comes to shove, we'll mow people down at the border if we need to if it comes to lifeboat ethics.

Read "Becoming Evil" by Waller. Ordinary people are capable of almost anything under the right circumstances. I think some of those circumstances are coming.

I wasn't trying to be flippant. If I was trying to be flippant, I would have made a remark comparing the Native Americans using all parts of a buffalo to the Nazis removing gold fillings and using skin for lampshades or something like that.
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 01:00:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'O')rdinary people are capable of almost anything under the right circumstances. I think some of those circumstances are coming.


I don't think anybody has really thought through how lifeboat ethics could, would, or should play out. The reason I'm kind of on your *ss recently is that this really is a serious topic and we shouldn't just resort to cheap humor and sarcasm. It's worth thinking about in more detail.
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Re: Russian Prof. Says US Collapse by End of 2009

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 09:56:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'O')rdinary people are capable of almost anything under the right circumstances. I think some of those circumstances are coming.


I don't think anybody has really thought through how lifeboat ethics could, would, or should play out. The reason I'm kind of on your *ss recently is that this really is a serious topic and we shouldn't just resort to cheap humor and sarcasm. It's worth thinking about in more detail.

I've thought about how lifeboat ethics could, would and should play out, and I've adjusted my plans accordingly.

(Morality of the circles... innermost circle of immediate family, then circle of neighbors and extended family, then circle of people in your tribe or county or whatever, then maybe circle of people in your country, then everybody else outside the circle...)
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