[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'A')musing. I just today saw a huge truck with a Texas plate on the highway, and it had a bumper sticker with a big old star and in all-caps the word "SECEDE."

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'T')exas MIGHT succumb to a Mexican influence by way of massive immigration

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'T')exas MIGHT succumb to a Mexican influence by way of massive immigration

[Ludi]

OMG! A Mexican influence!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9LaZ9gc6Do

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')
Ever been to Texas? Especially south, west, or central Texas?

[SeaGypsy]

I would haved thought that 'foreign powers moving in' would be very good for American unity as in "From OUR cold dead hands". No way. The guy is kidding himself. The USA would have to be one of the most prickly places to attempt any kind of takeover/ invasion, if not the most prickly in the world. "Don't throw me in that briar patch......" "I was born and bred in the briar patch...." Ok a lot of lazy fat disarmed slobs may be in serious trouble. But that's not what he is talking about.
The part about splitting along ethnic lines... ummm isn't about 1/3rd of the USA population of mixed descent? What's the answer there? Cut them in half first? Start with the social worker? Naaah.
This geezer is vying for a job somewhere.
Yes the USA is in serious trouble, it will not be taken over before it became not worth taking over.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Y')es the USA is in serious trouble, it will not be taken over before it became not worth taking over.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')
Ever been to Texas? Especially south, west, or central Texas?

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'A')musing. I just today saw a huge truck with a Texas plate on the highway, and it had a bumper sticker with a big old star and in all-caps the word "SECEDE."

[the48thronin]

"SECEDE." This word is appearing more and more in one part of the country that may in fact decide to do so.

They have state budget surpluses, they have sound local banks, they have 3 percent unemployment, and they have the military tools needed to demand being left to themselves by the bankrupt remaining federal socialist union of welfare supporters and bankster rip off laden defunct leadership.

Texas, no not Texas,, No not the south either. And some provinces of Canada are more likely to mirror them and form a separate confederation rather than act as pressure agents for the bankrupt elite in Ottawa!

That Russian might want to actually visit before he makes such a colossal fool of himself. Secession is an open topic on local talk radio, Neighboring states with similar views have even started the process of enabling legislation so they can fend off the gathering power grab by the elite idiots in Washington who think the world revolves around the coastal metropolises.

Awake a truly American poem..... have you ever read it?

[rangerone314]

And what state is that? North or South Dakota?

[efarmer]

While Prof. Panarin was a KGB analyst, the former head
of the KGB ran the Soviet Union and the former head of
the CIA ran America. Both heads of state were caught
completely by surprise when it rolled over and croaked.
Okay, who stole the freakin' crystal balls?

The Russians are world class doomers, simply the best
there is, I would expect a fabulous scenario, plausible
state alliances, and a time line over a period long enough
to be believable.

Mr. Panarin, surely you have higher quality doom to peddle
than this, dig deep and hunker down, and see if you can't
come back and lay a humdinger on us.

You could score big with the right story, perhaps make enough
to move to Texafornia or Calichina and live large...

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '
')The Russians are world class doomers

[Sixstrings]

Regarding this whole "USA taken over by foreigners" discussion..

Keep in mind this sort of thing happens gradually, until one day when you're old and gray you realize you don't recognize your country anymore. But by then, you're in effect irrelevant and out of touch with the new status quo. And all you can do about it is complain, much like the British vets in that Daily Mail article.

See, that's the nature of cultural amalgamation -- the younger generations are actually of the times in which they live, while the older folks reminisce over a past that no longer exists.

[mos6507]

I think some of the more politically correct members of this board should rewatch the Al Bartlett videos. Population increase beyond a certain point, whether brought upon through immigration OR reproduction is counter-productive to people's wellbeing. At first this may show up through strained infrastructure, but taken to its logical extremes, it could get messy. And green. You know, THAT kind of green.

Even to this day I'm not sure many peakers really have a good grasp on what phantom carrying capacity really means. The fog of phantom carrying capacity means we think "lifeboat america" can take on more passengers than we really can. This line of thinking is as flawed as the most warped stuff that shortonsense writes in his topic. This sets us up for a rude awakening in the end when that fog burns off. But some people are so vexed by the wealth disparity between the US and the rest of the world that they see immigration as some form of just deserts for "american imperialism" or whatever other cardinal sins we're supposedly guilty of. But if the US is already in regional population overshoot then we're going to be knocked down enough pegs as it is during energy descent. Do we really need to make the challenge of energy descent worse by multiplying our population by 2, 4, 5, or 10 times by taking in all comers?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')Do we really need to make the challenge of energy descent worse by multiplying our population by 2, 4, 5, or 10 times by taking in all comers?

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')Do we really need to make the challenge of energy descent worse by multiplying our population by 2, 4, 5, or 10 times by taking in all comers?

[pup55]

I don't know if you have ever watched the ancient flick 'Sergeant York" featuring Gary Cooper and Walter Brennan....

It is of course the highly fictionalized story of the most decorated US soldier in the US Army in WW1.....

The point is: Alvin York is a hell raiser in the hills of Tennessee.... one day, as he was about to shoot some guy he did not like, he is struck by lightning, and gets the word....turns to religious fundamentalism.....

He is a model citizen.... swears off any kind of violence, per the new testament....

At some point he is drafted. In the little idiot backwater town he lives in, the local postmaster, who doubles as the town preacher and storekeeper a-la Sam Drucker, is the lone representative of the Federal government. He tells Alvin he has to go....Alvin goes reluctantly, and then has a revelation that he should go and kill Germans if he is ordered to....Of course this flick was made in 1941 so I am sure there is some propaganda content....

Where am I going with this: At some point in the day, everybody has a choice as to what law to comply with, if any. In those days, the story suggests that although he had strong loyalty to his local preacher, and a set of values that were given to him by his community and family, Alvin was compelled by his patriotic duty to abide by the laws of the US and show up to be inducted, even though at the time he felt the war was immoral. There was some propaganda value in that, too, by the way....

So the question is: If a religious fundamentalist firearm-toting hell raiser in north-central Tennessee was drafted today, would he be compelled to go, or would he tell the government to shove it? The point at which enough of these people decide to abide by the laws of their tribe and not by the laws of a government that is far away, the system will break down.

Fentress County TN is where Sergeant York grew up. Let's look at this place for a minute:

a. The local population is 17,667, and is over 90% white.
b. 20% of the population is under the poverty level. The mean income is less than $30K/yr
c. Over half of the population over 16, as of the relatively prosperous year of 2000, was considered "not in the work force"
d. In 2000, there were 39 employees of the Federal Government in this place. As of 2008, there were 104.
e. about 15% of the local population gets supplemental income from the welfare system.
f. Only about 500 of the county's 17,000 people have a college degree.

So it's still a bit rough, I would say.

So when push comes to shove is this place going to rebel from the US government, or the state government? I am thinking not. 1 out of 6 of the population is dependent on them for food, I would be willing to believe that in Sergeant York's day, with one federal employee in the county, and zero getting food aid, Sgt. York was much more likely than today's equivalent hillbilly to revolt against the government.

Now if that food supply dries up, all of a sudden, there is a different dynamic in play, isn't there?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pall_Mall,_Tennessee
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=y&-qr_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U_DP3&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U&-_lang=en&-_sse=on&-geo_id=05000US47049
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec_percap-caseloads-total-recipients-per-capita
http://www.eyeonwashington.com/few_map2000/htm/Tennessee.htm[url]
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http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popInfo.php?locIndex=12418
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/educLevel.php?locIndex=12418

[Ludi]

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[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
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