[WildRose]

Just out of curiosity, my fellow peakers - what will you do with your kids this winter if the reports of deaths become more of a concern,
or if a death hits really close to home? Will you pull your kids out of school? Avoid church, weddings, parties, etc.? Or will you just
carry on as usuaI?

I guess this only applies if you're not having your kids vaccinated.

[Ferretlover]

Both of our sons are in their thirties, so, school is not a problem. And, since both of us went through the 1957 flu season, it does not seem that it will be a problem for us.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '
')I think media surrounding the Swine Flu & its treatment is just another sheeple conditioning exercise.

[WildRose]

A couple of other things occurred to me that might make young women more susceptible. The first is that a lot of
young women take contraceptives, and the second is that they may have an extreme diet, or be missing certain
things from their diets. I wonder if there's any research being done about this? I wonder also if the trend will continue.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')lease describe the appropriate media response to this issue, considering that the vaccine was very late and accompanied by tinfoil accusations.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'D')id you have your daughter vaccinated?

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'D')id you have your daughter vaccinated?

[frankthetank]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdiqJxNNJBg

See Sid and kids dance to the swine flu vaccine.. Comments are funny as hell..

[evgeny]

For six months, as the whole world is discussing another scare - swine flu. Almost no one had really died away, and the jim-jams - as they want. Out of an abundance of vague and meaningless information on this topic one thing is clear - people love and want to be afraid. But once fears arise, then someone needs it?

any emerging influenza in birds and pigs. Viruses constantly live in birds, and when the birds transmit influenza to pigs, the trouble happens - there is another mutation and there is a virus, dangerous to humans. So all those of influenza, which we have countless times hurt before, was
bird-pig in its essence.

Failed, "bird flu" - they launched a campaign of "swine flu"; falls "swine flu" - they will develop a company with "horse flu".

[wisconsin_cur]

the metro area where i work is running out of ICU beds with two or three hospitals still taking the overflow. According to a sup I just talked to the region is starting to run low on vents.

An early peak in the flu season would be a good thing.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ackground Planning for the treatment of infection with the 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) virus through health care systems in developed countries during winter in the Northern Hemisphere is hampered by a lack of information from similar health care systems.

Methods We conducted an inception-cohort study in all Australian and New Zealand intensive care units (ICUs) during the winter of 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere. We calculated, per million inhabitants, the numbers of ICU admissions, bed-days, and days of mechanical ventilation due to infection with the 2009 H1N1 virus. We collected data on demographic and clinical characteristics of the patients and on treatments and outcomes.

Results From June 1 through August 31, 2009, a total of 722 patients with confirmed infection with the 2009 H1N1 virus (28.7 cases per million inhabitants; 95% confidence interval [CI], 26.5 to 30. were admitted to an ICU in Australia or New Zealand. Of the 722 patients, 669 (92.7%) were under 65 years of age and 66 (9.1%) were pregnant women; of the 601 adults for whom data were available, 172 (28.6%) had a body-mass index (the weight in kilograms divided by the square of the height in meters) greater than 35. Patients infected with the 2009 H1N1 virus were in the ICU for a total of 8815 bed-days (350 per million inhabitants). The median duration of treatment in the ICU was 7.0 days (interquartile range, 2.7 to 13.4); 456 of 706 patients (64.6%) with available data underwent mechanical ventilation for a median of 8 days (interquartile range, 4 to 16). The maximum daily occupancy of the ICU was 7.4 beds (95% CI, 6.3 to 8.5) per million inhabitants. As of September 7, 2009, a total of 103 of the 722 patients (14.3%; 95% CI, 11.7 to 16.9) had died, and 114 (15.8%) remained in the hospital.

Conclusions The 2009 H1N1 virus had a substantial effect on ICUs during the winter in Australia and New Zealand. Our data can assist planning for the treatment of patients during the winter in the Northern Hemisphere.

[JJ]

looks like my 8 year old has it now (something). He is soooo miserable. for ten days he has had strep throat, not responding to antibiotics, and then severe constipation (which we attribute to the anti-biotics, although the doctor says not). Then the last 24 hours, 101.8 fever, not changing. Hot and cold, delusional (he thinks the bed is full of sugar) sore throat, stomach ache (those have both been for ten days already). coughing. Bing took him to the doctor yesterday, blood and urine work, nothing there, doctor said his throat looked better than last Tuesday. back today.

[virgincrude]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so forgive me if this has appeared somewhere along the line.

Here in Europe the view of the so-called swine flu 'pandemic' is very different to the one in the US. The health minister here in Spain has repeated endlessly that this particular strain of flu is MILDER i.e more benign than the average seasonal flu, and vaccination is recommended in exactly the same circumstances as the seasonal flu. In other words no mass vaccination is planned and there is no sign of massive infection.

In the UK the press is apparently openly questioning the wisdom of the hype over pandemics and the rush to vaccinate all and sundry. Very different to your US over reaction and kow towing to Big Pharma's lies and manipulation of everybody, beginning with the WHO and going on down thru politicians, pharmacists and apparently medics and health workers who now state as fact that the H1N1 virus is extremely dangerous and highly infectious.

The fact is that this H1N1 flu is not as mortal as other regular seasonal flus. The WHO actually changed the definition of pandemic in order to ease the mass vaccination programmes Big Pharma desires. And it seems the Ukraine strain which NO mass media is reporting outside of that country, is in fact nothing to do with the influenza virus at all, if it actually exsists.

Here's an interesting piece by (believe it or not, you can't make this stuff up) a Benedictine Nun who happens to be a family doctor, which nicely states all of the facts and exposes the unbelievable media manipulation and outright lies being repeated by health care officials and politicians all over the place:
http://www.vimeo.com/7298827

Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmZVPazHYqQ

[TonisD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evgeny', 'F')or six months, as the whole world is discussing another scare - swine flu. Almost no one had really died away, and the jim-jams - as they want.

[virgincrude]

What I find interesting TonisD, is that when I Google "WHO declares new swine flu mutation" to check your post, I get ZERO hits. Not too good at putting out the info, are they? On their web page itself, you shall find this so called 'mutation' is actually extremely rare and the information extremely sparse.

I trust the WHO about as far as I can spit (not far). Having altered the definition of pandemic to EXCLUDE mortality rate, it seems logical to assume the only reason for declaring a pandemic is a) to scare people into getting themsleves jabbed with expensive and untested vaccines which frequently have worse side effects than the original flu virus and b) to grant themsleves more power to mandate obligatory vaccinations which would of course please the Glaxo-Smith Kleins, Baxter's and all their share holders.

H1N1 is highly contagious but has a lower mortality than common seasonal flu. The seasonal flu shot does not guarrantee you won't come down with it,
and if you do, the chances of you succumbing to some more deadly 'strain' than your neighbour is largely up to your present state of health and immunity in general. The vast majority of deaths from the original 'new' swine flu variant have been due to complication arising from previous medical conditions. When this was becoming obvious, the WHO ordered countries to stop testing in the laboratory whether each death reported from the flu, was actually an H1N1 case. Therefore all flu related deaths this year are conflated by factors not related to the virus itself. The true number of Swine flu cases can not be known because no country is now testing for it in laboratory. We've simpy been told that everybody is dying from it.

The scare mongering reports of some kind of European Ebola errupting in the Ukraine are fabrications designed to keep people scared and buying more and more useless pharmaceutical drugs. But even more importantly, these reports are priming the politicians for an eventual shut down on a grand scale, enforcement of military law and the general erosion of basic rights and freedoms, with an invented pandemic as the overriding reason.

Eat your greens, get plenty of sunshine (Vitamin D) and your natural immunity should keep you alive, despite a probable dose of seasonal flu

[TonisD]

Let's put it this way: I do not know anybody and my friends do not know anybody, who has died of flu. H1N1 will be the same.

[Cloud9]

I know someone who has died from it. He died in an Publix parking lot in his dad's arms.

[virgincrude]

How dramatic! I can't imagine how one could get into such a situation to begin with ... very sad.

But. What confirmation do you have that this person died from H1n1 and did they have any underlying medical issues? There are so many accounts flying around of this or that death from Swine Flu, and yet no laboratory in the Western world is testing for the virus any more, and then when you take a closer look, you find out that the people who die, developed aggressive complications due to their underlying health issues. And it sounds in this case, like the person was not receiving any treatment at all for their (presumably) flu symptoms in the first place, otherwise how would you end up expiring in a public parking lot? ...

[Cloud9]

http://www.allbusiness.com/government/g ... 607-1.html

Sep. 16--SEBRING -- Marquis Hamilton, the Sebring High School student who died Friday morning, tested positive for the H1N1 flu, also known as swine flu, a Highlands County Health Department official said.

The 14-year-old was a Sebring High freshman.

[virgincrude]

Horrible story.
However, you make it sound like you actually knew this person, is that so? And this death was reported on 16th September. Two weeks have definitely passed. Did anybody come up with the final medical examiner's report?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he health department is still awaiting autopsy results from the 10th District Medical Examiner's Office, which will reveal why Marquis died, Moran said.

The medical examiner's report is expected in two weeks.

"The H1N1 flu may not have been the cause of death," Moran added.

Hamilton had no reported pre-existing conditions or chronic illnesses, an earlier health department press release stated last week.