[POAlex]

Hey, its a Chick tract.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')The point is to kill off as many of the sheeple as possible before they get a chance to turn into unruly mobs.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he point is to kill off as many of the sheeple as possible before they get a chance to turn into unruly mobs.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'A')nd, isn't that, pretty much, SOP for TPTB?

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')hen what do we have to worry about?
Could it be maybe we have more to fear from, you know, intractable problems that don't have arch-villains associated with them like, um, overshoot?

[Roy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')Those who refuse the vaccine will have their lives turned upside down. Children kicked from schools or even taken away, drivers' licenses revoked, employment terminated without mandatory vaccination, SS transfer payments halted, etc. There will still be those who refuse but the cost will be high for them so for most they will buckle under the pressure.

[mos6507]

Yes, these sorts of things never have a followup poll to add up the bodycounts. I would make a wild guess that those who refuse the vaccination get the flu (and blame it on the vaccine) and those who do get the vaccination, don't get the flu and don't whine about anything afterwards.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')espite a planned rally in Albany Tuesday to protest a state regulation requiring health care workers be vaccinated against influenza — both seasonal and swine flu — New York’s top public health official predicts dissenters will ultimately extinguish their anger and roll up their sleeves.

The regulation, which was approved in August, comes with a stinging addendum: Get vaccinated or get fired.

But some nurses and many other health care providers say the regulation violates their personal freedom and leaves them vulnerable to vaccine injury. And they cite deaths associated with the last federal government swine-flu vaccination program in 1976.

Refusing to be immunized against H1N1 because of the vaccine debacle in 1976 “is like saying a plane crashed 33 years ago so I’ll never fly again,” said Dr. Richard Daines, New York State health commissioner.

New York is the only state in the nation to require that health care workers be vaccinated, though other states are considering such measures. Health workers, including doctors, must be immunized by Nov. 30. Opponents say it’s simply unnecessary.

Several registered nurses said they will neither contract nor transmit the flu because they’re constantly washing their hands.

Daines said the vaccination directive stemmed from particular concern about institutional outbreaks — in hospitals, nursing homes and hospice centers. In a typical year, only 40 percent to 50 percent of health care workers take advantage of voluntary flu vaccination programs, and the state has about 150 institutional outbreaks of influenza. But with seasonal and H1N1 in circulation in the fall, institutional outbreaks could worsen.

“Anyone who is concerned about the safety of the vaccine should read about the death of a previously healthy nurse in California who died of H1N1,” Daines said.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/mandatory-flu-vaccination-splits-workers-1.1481242?print=true

[POAlex]

That's quite the ultimatum.

[dukey]

in 76 the vaccine killed more people than the outbreak
It seems gone are the days when people had health freedom. Just another one to add to the list.

[mos6507]

There couldn't be a reason we want everyone vaccinated could there?

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ashington State Allows Thimerosal (Mercury) in H1N1 Vaccine ...
Sep 28, 2009 ... Washington State Allows Thimerosal (Mercury) in H1N1 Vaccine. Washington State Department of Health. 9/25/2009. State health officials are ...
a4cgr.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/04-154/

[Jotapay]

When I worked in my neighborhood small grocery and beer store in college, we used to say that people who bought lottery tickets were paying the "stupid tax".

I think vaccines are the same thing. Line up for your "stupid shot". Vaccines introduce cancer viruses into your system, contain squalene and adjuvants that cause auto-immune responses and infertility, and also contain mercury. Some are made from dead human fetus tissue. I'll only take the bare minimum of vaccines, like for polio and smallpox.

[bromius]

New York is a very litigious state. If they make everyone in healthcare get vaccinated (that's a lot of people) and there are widespread, severe side effects from taking it, well, not a good situation. That is, unless you are a lawyer. My mom is a nurse, so I am concerned

[SFDukie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ashington State Allows Thimerosal (Mercury) in H1N1 Vaccine ...
Sep 28, 2009 ... Washington State Allows Thimerosal (Mercury) in H1N1 Vaccine. Washington State Department of Health. 9/25/2009. State health officials are ...
a4cgr.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/04-154/

[Daphne64]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SFDukie', '
')Thiomersal preservatives in vaccines have been thoroughly debunked as a cause of autism. Until the data were in, the US phased out thiomersal preservatives in childhood vaccines, as a precaution. Vaccines administered to infants in the US were mostly free of thiomersal by 2001. The autism rate hasn't dropped at all.


The only vaccines routinely recommended for children under 6 in the US which contain thiomersal are some influenza vaccines. Anyone worried about thiomersal (irrationally, IMO-and those of bodies of medical experts in countries around the world) can obtain a thiomersal free version of an H1N1 vaccine.

[Daphne64]

Back to the original topic - I sure wouldn't want this vaccine. No one has done followups for more than a few weeks. None of the vaccines ever are followed up formally for more than 6 weeks, but with this one, the longer term results just haven't happened yet.

Guillain-Barre syndrome and multple sclerosis are a well known side effects in adults of several vaccines. And there is a fair amount of evidence that "gulf war syndrome" is largely vaccine caused - soldiers didn't have to be deployed overseas to get it, for example.

Big pharma is just as corrupt as wall street - they want the forced uptake AND liability immunity for their bottom lines.

[smallpoxgirl]

I'm not planning on getting the vaccine, and I'd be pretty surprised if they get above 90% compliance in New York. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Are they really going to yank the nurses' licenses? I doubt it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SFDukie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ashington State Allows Thimerosal (Mercury) in H1N1 Vaccine ...
Sep 28, 2009 ... Washington State Allows Thimerosal (Mercury) in H1N1 Vaccine. Washington State Department of Health. 9/25/2009. State health officials are ...
a4cgr.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/04-154/

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')'m not planning on getting the vaccine, and I'd be pretty surprised if they get above 90% compliance in New York. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Are they really going to yank the nurses' licenses? I doubt it.