[Nefarious]

Since I don't consider it a monkey on my back don't see why anyone else would.

Doctor asked me once if I smoked. Told her 2 packs a day firm. She said " you know it won't kill you earlier, you will just grow to be a very sick old man". I said " So you think I should bump it to 3 packs a day instead?"

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'S')ince I don't consider it a monkey on my back don't see why anyone else would.

Doctor asked me once if I smoked. Told her 2 packs a day firm. She said " you know it won't kill you earlier, you will just grow to be a very sick old man". I said " So you think I should bump it to 3 packs a day instead?"

[Nefarious]

Just doing my part for a healthy die off

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')t's certainly worked well for marijuana. Why not try tobacco too.

If nothing else, it would be a huge boon for the prison construction industry.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'N')o one has ever died from smoking marijuana.

[vision-master]

I do enjoy the sacred pipe once in awhile. I don't think tobbaco is really that bad if kept in moderation, but cigs are the work of the Devil.



I have 17 pipes.

[DomusAlbion]

Again I agree with VM (Oh my, is my mind going?)

An occasional bowl of tobacco can be a relaxing moment of pleasure. But that is the natural, hand cured leaf and not that foul concoction of chemicals that is used in cigarettes. And usually the smoke is not enhaled but enjoyed for its aromatic properties.

Still under the new regime of the One this pleasure will only be afforded to those who are more equal than us prols.

[Nefarious]

I have to agree with the chemical things they add. I don't know what they did or put in a cigarette now to make them Fire Safe, but they ruined a good smoke. I'm getting used to it though have to be able to adapt to your surroundings and all.

[gollum]

This is sounding more and more like a big government rip off, think social security.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'N')o one has ever died from smoking marijuana.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')Never the less, I think the message is pretty clear. Prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work for alcohol. It isn't working for drugs. It won't work for tobacco.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'N')o one has ever died from smoking marijuana.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'T')his is sounding more and more like a big government rip off, think social security.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'T')his is sounding more and more like a big government rip off, think social security.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I')'m 39, and will never see any substantial amount of money from social security, so I am certianlly thinking about it as I plan for the future.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 't')hey'll probably just kill off all the old people

[Thralen]

Don't tell me, you used to smoke, right? I have found that the people that most vehemently speak out against tobacco tend to be former smokers. I figure they are worried that seeing/smelling other people smoking will lead them back into temptation.

I disagree. I think you would find, were tobacco outlawed and the ridiculous stipulations you mentioned put into effect, that the obesity problem would increase by another 20% or more. Thereby negating any improvement in health care gains. In addition stress would be a more prevalent issue leading to breakdowns and hospitalizations.

The initial step for a solution to the problem you mention is to outlaw the additional chemicals that most major manufacturers use in their cigarettes. Although forced to print on their packs "An additive free cigarette does not mean a safer cigarette" companies like American Spirits and a few side lines of major brands (winston, kool and a few others) have the idea right. Non-additive cigarettes taste better and, even with the disclaimer, not smoking the chemicals that are added to most brands removes a lot of the poisons from the smoke.

Yes, I smoke. Two packs a day here as well. I roll my own cigarettes from non-additive tobacco that I bought in bulk right before the recent increase in the federal tax. At the time I thought that if they really wanted to improve the health of the US they should institute a 'fat tax' instead. Imagine the revenue that would be brought in by a 1% tax on all fast food joints. The revenue would dwarf that from the tobacco tax and if they made a big stink about the tax might discourage people from eating that crap as often.

Thralen

[DomusAlbion]

Thralen,

I was never a smoker. I just look at the statistics and the science.

Cigarettes Kill

Of course the chubbies will be next. After all the smokers are cured or eliminated there will be all those empty Federal camps. They have to be used for something, right?

Besides, in a Post Petroleum, Post Industrial world obesity will not be a problem. Finding enough food will be the real problem.

[Thralen]

Look at the statistics and the science:

OBESITY KILLS
ALCOHOL KILLS
STUPIDITY KILLS (just look at the Darwin Awards)

and so on and so on, ad infinitum...

so do high fructose corn syrup, white refined sugar, red meats, pork, car emissions, cell phones, etc, etc, etc...

Tell ya what, solve it at the start, life is a terminal disease so why don't we outlaw that...

Thralen

edited for typo

[DomusAlbion]

OK, people, I'm going to retract my tongue from my cheek now.

Actually I believe in freedom and the ability of the individual to make their own decisions about their lives, even if those decisions are hastening their own deaths.

I've just been playing a little thought experiment with the evident trends we see in the emerging Nanny State. As soon as the Federal Government has control of the health care industry we will see measures (taxes, fines, imprisonment) meant to modify our "bad" behaviors. We already see extensive restrictions on smokers and those restrictions will undoubtedly become worse. Soon you smokers will be societal pariahs; shunned by the minions who love and worship the One. Never mind that He has an occasional smoke on the side because He is exempt from all those laws meant for lesser mortals.