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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:01:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')k Vision.. so your rebuttal to the scientific graph I posted is to juxtapose it with some crazy out-of-this-world pic that looks like the Holy Trinity meets LSD? Uh, ok.

Well anyway, thanks for posting it.. that's some far-out stuff, man.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')abbalah (Hebrew: קַבָּלָה‎, lit. "receiving") is a discipline and school of thought concerned with the mystical aspect of Judaism. It is a set of esoteric teachings that is meant to explain the relationship between an infinite, eternal and essentially unknowable Creator with the finite and mortal universe of His creation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:09:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ottom line here is that religion and science are two fundamentally different, and yet equally necessary, fields of of human understanding. They cannot ever be mixed, but I will admit that we need them both. And besides, if you're a Christian you should be spending your religious energies paying attention to his actual ministry, NOT engaging in anti-science jihads.


No, science and religion (universal spiritual truths) are one and the same.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')gypt’s legacy begins with the knowledge and practice of Sacred Science. This was a spiritual technology the Egyptians employed for thousands of years of recorded history. Evidence of this Sacred Science is abundant – in the design and construction of their monuments that can not be duplicated today, in the practice of mummification that continues to elude us, and in the record of superior skill in medicine – to name a few.



This was built by the Greeks who learned from the Egyptians using Sacred Geometry. :)

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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby davep » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:33:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')k Vision.. so your rebuttal to the scientific graph I posted is to juxtapose it with some crazy out-of-this-world pic that looks like the Holy Trinity meets LSD? Uh, ok.

Well anyway, thanks for posting it.. that's some far-out stuff, man.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')abbalah (Hebrew: קַבָּלָה‎, lit. "receiving") is a discipline and school of thought concerned with the mystical aspect of Judaism. It is a set of esoteric teachings that is meant to explain the relationship between an infinite, eternal and essentially unknowable Creator with the finite and mortal universe of His creation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah


Right, so start telling us how it explains the relationship, rather than posting photos of flowers.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:45:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'h')ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah
Right, so start telling us how it explains the relationship, rather than posting photos of flowers.

Those pictures illustrate the fibonacci sequence.
Fibonacci Sequence: Numbers of Life, Matrix of Universe
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Golden number 1.618 0339 887... jpg
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby davep » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:56:48

I know of fibonacci. Now tell us the deep spiritual significance
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 10:18:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I') know of fibonacci. Now tell us the deep spiritual significance


Every living thing follows the fibonacci sequence.

I'm not sure what you are fishing for? Some Bible Babble or what?

I could expand on this, but it's quite oblivious you are looking for nothing more than an argument. So, I won't go there. :)
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby AgentR » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 11:08:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'B')ottom line here is that religion and science are two fundamentally different, and yet equally necessary, fields of of human understanding. They cannot ever be mixed, but I will admit that we need them both.


I disagree with the notion of not mixing, in fact, I think you can draw some interesting thoughts when you take the "WHO" part of religion, and the "HOW" from observation of the natural world (Natural Revelation) and use them together to contemplate the nature of "WHY".

"WHY" always seems to me to be the most perplexing and insistent of questions; we usually ask it in a negative sense, "Why did Bob kill Doug?" and often dismiss the positive, "Why am I here, observing this sunrise from a mountain top on this perfect morning?"

I'll even give you are real one to mull over.. Why does the universe have a limiting constant which we notate with "c" , the speed of light. It limits everything that can be seen and done, it limits time, space, and rules the natural world with regard to energy. These are questions that don't have a "right" answer, not meant to prove or disprove the existence of God, but rather questions that invite exploration within.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').., NOT engaging in anti-science jihads.


Unfortunately for humanity as a whole, Jihads are fun.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 17:41:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Bottom line here is that religion and science are two fundamentally different, and yet equally necessary, fields of of human understanding. They cannot ever be mixed, but I will admit that we need them both. And besides, if you're a Christian you should be spending your religious energies paying attention to his actual ministry, NOT engaging in anti-science jihads.


Absolutely incorrect. There is no difference at all between comparative religion and quantum physics. Until you study or experience them then you really have no idea what you're talking about at all.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby Arthur75 » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 17:59:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
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Absolutely incorrect. There is no difference at all between comparative religion and quantum physics. Until you study or experience them then you really have no idea what you're talking about at all.


Yeah right, as if "human sciences" had ever been anything more than a pile of self generating trash (with a few good authors and books, but of course not a science at all )
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:00:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Bottom line here is that religion and science are two fundamentally different, and yet equally necessary, fields of of human understanding. They cannot ever be mixed, but I will admit that we need them both. And besides, if you're a Christian you should be spending your religious energies paying attention to his actual ministry, NOT engaging in anti-science jihads.


Absolutely incorrect. There is no difference at all between comparative religion and quantum physics. Until you study or experience them then you really have no idea what you're talking about at all.


Regarding the subjects of religion & quantum physics, no one on this planet has any idea what they're talking about.

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Thanks for calling me a liar. :P
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:02:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arthur75', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
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Absolutely incorrect. There is no difference at all between comparative religion and quantum physics. Until you study or experience them then you really have no idea what you're talking about at all.


Yeah right, as if "human sciences" had ever been anything more than a pile of self generating trash (with a few good authors and books, but of course not a science at all )


Ad homs are a non-starter here.

Jesus Christ.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:07:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arthur75', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
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Absolutely incorrect. There is no difference at all between comparative religion and quantum physics. Until you study or experience them then you really have no idea what you're talking about at all.


Yeah right, as if "human sciences" had ever been anything more than a pile of self generating trash (with a few good authors and books, but of course not a science at all )


Not "human sciences".

The stuff 33 degree Freemasons know about. :)
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby Arthur75 » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:09:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
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Ad homs are a non-starter here.

Jesus Christ.


Where did you see an "ad hom" above ?

Maybe you should start learning how to read buddy (that was one)

And by the way, most "human scientist" are of course totally uncapable of reading.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:19:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I') know of fibonacci. Now tell us the deep spiritual significance



I think what VM is trying to say is this: there is a lot of weird unexplained things out there, so may be there is a God somewhere there too.
However , even if true, it does not prove any of the following, like:

that there is only one god;

that he is nice and fluffy;

that he gives a fuck about this galaxy (let alone planet/country/personality) and any other in 10 million parsec radius;

that he wasnt created by someone else;

and many other things.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:38:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I') know of fibonacci. Now tell us the deep spiritual significance



I think what VM is trying to say is this: there is a lot of weird unexplained things out there, so may be there is a God somewhere there too.
However , even if true, it does not prove any of the following, like:

that there is only one god;

that he is nice and fluffy;

that he gives a fuck about this galaxy (let alone planet/country/personality) and any other in 10 million parsec radius;

that he wasnt created by someone else;

and many other things.


Look at it more like our earth and the rest of the heavens connected in strange ways we can't grasp very well. C, we always look at God as some kind of phyisical being of some sort. :oops:

Like Ra and Seth. They didn't represent 'beings' as such. They represented movements in the heavens that affect the Earth.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby Pops » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:57:31

Now, now, take a break everyone and stop calling names, don't you know better than talk about religion?

Ponder 1.618 while listening to this Kurzweil played by Mr. Emerson
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 19:29:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'N')ow, now, take a break everyone and stop calling names, don't you know better than talk about religion?

Ponder 1.618 while listening to this Kurzweil played by Mr. Emerson


I'm just the straw man. :)
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby Blacksmith » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 19:38:37

Won't make it.
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Re: Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 26 Sep 2009, 08:15:17

Aubrey de Grey Explains SENS Antiaging for Three and Half Minute Interview on MSNBC Today

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '*') SENS is not one breakthrough and will not be a pill
* one month of a series of procedures, stem cell therapies, gene therapy, small molecule drugs etc... and then repeated every 10-30 years
* thorough repair and maintentance of tissues
* Could have significant progress in 25-30 years or it could take 100 years. We do not know.
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