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THE Unemployment Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: Thousands line up for temporary (2-week), min-wage jobs.

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 15:10:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'I')t makes me more appreciative to have work in the first place.


Which is precisely the point. Now you will eat the shit sandwich you are given and actually thank them for it.
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Re: Thousands line up for temporary (2-week), min-wage jobs.

Unread postby jdmartin » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 00:44:54

That's some crazy shit right there. Unbelievable. For 16 days of grease-slinging work.
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 16:36:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his August, the teenage unemployment rate — that is, the percentage of teenagers who wanted a job who could not find one — was 25.5 percent, its highest level since the government began keeping track of such statistics in 1948.

They've outlawed employing anyone producing less than 7.25/hour. How long until the black market of low-wage labor emerges?
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby cipi604 » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 17:26:19

It's already there and growing.
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 18:15:50

If only we had listened to Plato and realized slavery is the natural order of things and any attempt to change it is a petty rebellion against God's will.
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 19:16:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey've outlawed employing anyone producing less than 7.25/hour. How long until the black market of low-wage labor emerges?


7.25 is low-wage. Really low. How low can you go. Limbo lower.....

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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 20:34:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey've outlawed employing anyone producing less than 7.25/hour. How long until the black market of low-wage labor emerges?


7.25 is low-wage. Really low. How low can you go. Limbo lower.....

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Limber little minx, isn't she? See, if it weren't for the minimum wage, she could have been a $2 an hour concubine.
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby Novus » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 21:15:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
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7.25 is low-wage. Really low. How low can you go. Limbo lower.....

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She would make a lot more than $7.25 if she took her top off. /jk
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 07:36:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ecent college graduates, unable to find higher-paying jobs, are working at places like Starbucks and Gap, taking jobs once held by their younger peers. Half of college graduates under age 25 are in jobs that do not require college degrees, the highest portion in at least 18 years, Mr. Sum said.



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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby sittinguy » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 07:49:17

My office is near the application desk, And I have seen a BIG increase people filling them out.
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby Cloud9 » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 08:29:46

Black market workers don’t pay any taxes and they don’t pay any withholding. Back in the day when my dad hired picking crews, all of them were paid in cash. We are going to be like the Soviet Union with a huge underground economy. Mandating a pay increase does not mandate an increase in sales.
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 08:52:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ecent college graduates, unable to find higher-paying jobs, are working at places like Starbucks and Gap, taking jobs once held by their younger peers. Half of college graduates under age 25 are in jobs that do not require college degrees, the highest portion in at least 18 years, Mr. Sum said.



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The other half are unemployed.

And that number, since it's for those under 25, includes a lot of people with graduate and even professional degrees.
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby lowem » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 11:59:49

Man I gotta slow down my scanning-titles-routine or it sometimes comes out jumbled.
My initial read was "Teenagers Jump After Joblessness Increase".

Might've veered a little bit too much Doomerosity Level 10 on that one :lol:
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby JJ » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 12:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'B')lack market workers don’t pay any taxes and they don’t pay any withholding. Back in the day when my dad hired picking crews, all of them were paid in cash. We are going to be like the Soviet Union with a huge underground economy. Mandating a pay increase does not mandate an increase in sales.


we have a huge underground economy here. :)
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby crude_intentions » Mon 07 Sep 2009, 16:32:41

Hmmmmm

Large amounts youth with no jobs, no money lots of free time and a large sense of entitilement.

Sounds like fun to me :twisted:
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 08 Sep 2009, 01:18:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', 'H')mmmmm

Large amounts youth with no jobs, no money lots of free time and a large sense of entitilement.

Sounds like fun to me :twisted:


Yep, and what with Mom & Pop The Cash-O-Matic likely being much less forthcoming lately in answer to every little (and big) capital craving, the whiners are bound to be getting restless...
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 08 Sep 2009, 02:15:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')f only we had listened to Plato and realized slavery is the natural order of things and any attempt to change it is a petty rebellion against God's will.


Amen to that, always was , always will be. But.... why buy when you can rent? People arent houses -- they need way more of maintenance, they grow old and useless much faster too.
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Re: Teenage Joblessness Jumps After Min Wage Increase

Unread postby MarkJ » Thu 10 Sep 2009, 14:07:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')igh teenage jobless rates may also be distorted by other factors. The ability of more young people to rely on family may allow them to be pickier about jobs and therefore to stay out of work longer than they did in previous recessions, said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

Additionally, with more students applying to college, the remaining pool of job applicants may be less desirable to employers.

“Maybe the most employable kids pull out of the labor force, making the numbers for what percent of kids are looking for jobs appear even worse,” said Harry J. Holzer, an economist at Georgetown University and the Urban Institute.


Many of our most employable teens are suburban teens and college students living in middle class and upper middle class suburban households. This group is often highly selective about jobs, pay, working conditions and hours.

Many local teens, especially urban teens in low income households can't find or keep jobs simply due to transportation challenges. These teens can't afford, (or their parents can't afford) vehicles, vehicle payments, maintenance, repairs, insurance, registration, inspections, gas, taxis etc. These households often lack parking or off-street parking for multiple vehicles as well.

Many local teens work multiple part-time jobs in different regions which requires reliable transportation. The teens in low income households can't even get a pizza delivery job due to lack of transportation. Competition for the few low paying part-time jobs within walking distance is brutal.
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Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 05:05:57

Excellent piece here, written surprisingly enough by the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for the Reagan administration.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Americans cannot get any truth out of their government about anything, the economy included. Americans are being driven into the ground economically, with one million school children now homeless, while Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke announces that the recession is over.

The spin that masquerades as news is becoming more delusional. Consumer spending is 70% of the US economy. It is the driving force, and it has been shut down. Except for the super rich, there has been no growth in consumer incomes in the 21st century. Statistician John Williams of shadowstats.com reports that real household income has never recovered its pre-2001 peak.

The US economy has been kept going by substituting growth in consumer debt for growth in consumer income. Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan encouraged consumer debt with low interest rates. The low interest rates pushed up home prices, enabling Americans to refinance their homes and spend the equity. Credit cards were maxed out in expectations of rising real estate and equity values to pay the accumulated debt. The binge was halted when the real estate and equity bubbles burst.

As consumers no longer can expand their indebtedness and their incomes are not rising, there is no basis for a growing consumer economy. Indeed, statistics indicate that consumers are paying down debt in their efforts to survive financially. In an economy in which the consumer is the driving force, that is bad news.

The banks, now investment banks thanks to greed-driven deregulation that repealed the learned lessons of the past, were even more reckless than consumers and took speculative leverage to new heights. At the urging of Larry Summers and Goldman Sachs’ CEO Henry Paulson, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Bush administration went along with removing restrictions on debt leverage.

When the bubble burst, the extraordinary leverage threatened the financial system with collapse. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve stepped forward with no one knows how many trillions of dollars to “save the financial system,” which, of course, meant to save the greed-driven financial institutions that had caused the economic crisis that dispossessed ordinary Americans of half of their life savings.

The consumer has been chastened, but not the banks. Refreshed with the TARP $700 billion and the Federal Reserve’s expanded balance sheet, banks are again behaving like hedge funds. Leveraged speculation is producing another bubble with the current stock market rally, which is not a sign of economic recovery but is the final savaging of Americans’ wealth by a few investment banks and their Washington friends. Goldman Sachs, rolling in profits, announced six figure bonuses to employees.

The rest of America is suffering terribly.

The unemployment rate, as reported, is a fiction and has been since the Clinton administration. The unemployment rate does not include jobless Americans who have been unemployed for more than a year and have given up on finding work. The reported 10% unemployment rate is understated by the millions of Americans who are suffering long-term unemployment and are no longer counted as unemployed. As each month passes, unemployed Americans drop off the unemployment role due to nothing except the passing of time.

The inflation rate, especially “core inflation,” is another fiction. “Core inflation” does not include food and energy, two of Americans’ biggest budget items. The Consumer Price Index (CPI) assumes, ever since the Boskin Commission during the Clinton administration, that if prices of items go up consumers substitute cheaper items. This is certainly the case, but this way of measuring inflation means that the CPI is no longer comparable to past years, because the basket of goods in the index is variable.

The Boskin Commission’s CPI, by lowering the measured rate of inflation, raises the real GDP growth rate. The result of the statistical manipulation is an understated inflation rate, thus eroding the real value of Social Security income, and an overstated growth rate. Statistical manipulation cloaks a declining standard of living.

In bygone days of American prosperity, American incomes rose with productivity. It was the real growth in American incomes that propelled the US economy.

In today’s America, the only incomes that rise are in the financial sector that risks the country’s future on excessive leverage and in the corporate world that substitutes foreign for American labor. Under the compensation rules and emphasis on shareholder earnings that hold sway in the US today, corporate executives maximize earnings and their compensation by minimizing the employment of Americans.

Try to find some acknowledgement of this in the “mainstream media,”
or among economists, who suck up to the offshoring corporations for grants.

The worst part of the decline is yet to come. Bank failures and home foreclosures are yet to peak. The commercial real estate bust is yet to hit. The dollar crisis is building.
When it hits, interest rates will rise dramatically as the US struggles to finance its massive budget and trade deficits while the rest of the world tries to escape a depreciating dollar.

Since the spring of this year, the value of the US dollar has collapsed against every currency except those pegged to it. The Swiss franc has risen 14% against the dollar. Every hard currency from the Canadian dollar to the Euro and UK pound has risen at least 13 % against the US dollar since April 2009. The Japanese yen is not far behind, and the Brazilian real has risen 25% against the almighty US dollar. Even the Russian ruble has risen 13% against the US dollar.

What sort of recovery is it when the safest investment is to bet against the US dollar?

The American household of my day, in which the husband worked and the wife provided household services and raised the children, scarcely exists today. Most, if not all, members of a household have to work in order to pay the bills. However, the jobs are disappearing, even the part-time ones.

If measured according to the methodology used when I was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, the unemployment rate today in the US is above 20%. Moreover, there is no obvious way of reducing it. There are no factories, with work forces temporarily laid off by high interest rates, waiting for a lower interest rate policy to call their workforces back into production.

The work has been moved abroad. In the bygone days of American prosperity, CEOs were inculcated with the view that they had equal responsibilities to customers, employees, and shareholders. This view has been exterminated. Pushed by Wall Street and the threat of takeovers promising “enhanced shareholder value,” and incentivized by “performance pay,” CEOs use every means to substitute cheaper foreign employees for Americans. Despite 20% unemployment and cum laude engineering graduates who cannot find jobs or even job interviews, Congress continues to support 65,000 annual H-1B work visas for foreigners.

In the midst of the highest unemployment since the Great Depression what kind of a fool do you need to be to think that there is a shortage of qualified US workers?
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 05:52:43

The Aussie has risen over 25% against the greenback since April.
The 2 fundamentals here are Australia's "Big 4" banking system where 4 highly regulated banks control 90% of the debt/ credit supply and abundant mineral wealth in close proximity to China and India.
With no time limits on benefits Australia has only 7% unemployment with mining regions up north at 2-3%.
Class 457 skilled worker visas are set at over 50,000 this financial year so if your an engineer, nurse or Doctor get your boots on and head down under.
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