[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'S')eem pretty "real" to me.
Not sure what you mean exactly.
Some natural gas producers got together to promote their industry. Seems like a logical thing to do.

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')nly referring to something which is not yet in place and might not work as projected some time in the future?

[Maddog78]

One Chinese company is looking to increase the use of gas in cars.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602099&sid=aYep7ZLTxhBM


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')nip.....

Last month, Zhengzhou Gas Co. said it agreed to set up a venture with the biggest road transport company in central China’s Henan province, Zhengzhou Traffic and Transportation (Group) Co., to convert and repair gas-powered cars. China is adopting methane as a fuel for autos as it is cheaper to transport than gasoline and when burned, it produces fewer pollutants, Grewal said.



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[Gerben]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')nip.... Last month, Zhengzhou Gas Co. said it agreed to set up a venture with the biggest road transport company in central China’s Henan province, Zhengzhou Traffic and Transportation (Group) Co., to convert and repair gas-powered cars. China is adopting methane as a fuel for autos as it is cheaper to transport than gasoline and when burned, it produces fewer pollutants, Grewal said.
snip......

[copious.abundance]

This is interesting. I have doubts about an upstart company with such big plans (1 million cars in an already crowded market???), but at least they're trying.

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hursday, September 24, 2009, 5:34pm CDT
HK Motors to build plant in south Alabama
Birmingham Business Journal

[...]

Initial production is expected to begin in 2013, with the first phase of 300,000 vehicles.

HK Motors will use a hybrid engine that employs compressed natural gas, electricity and gasoline, which it said provides efficiency at affordable prices to consumers.

Natural gas is an abundant and clean resource, Yeung said. And he said the mass production of green vehicles will allow it to be less expensive than the competition.

[...]

^
A bit more on that . . .

LINK
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')...]

Unlike many hybrids that are economy size, HK's cars will be mid-size to luxury size, comparable to a Mercedes S-Class.

"We will start with cars, producing about 300,000 each year,” he said. “The cars are multi-fuel and battery. They get 45 miles per gallon on gas, but the principle fuel is natural gas. Using that it will get a much higher MPG.

[...]

[Gerben]

The market for NGVs is one of the few (the only?) niches where there is still room. 1 mln is too much unless there is a major rush for CNG. If that doesn't happen, this is a wasted investment.

[copious.abundance]

Looks like you're soon going to be able to fill your truck with CNG in the middle of nowhere in Utah.

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Stimulus cash to boost Utah's CNG network
Cleaner air » Grant will add 16 natural gas fueling stations and will make refilling faster.
By Brandon Loomis
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 08/28/2009 07:38:49 AM MDT

Nearly $15 million in federal stimulus funding will allow Utah to ramp up its already-expanding network of natural-gas fueling stations.

The compressed natural gas [CNG] outlets operated by Questar and the state will swell from 25 to 41, giving motorists broader coverage of the state and faster refills.

The Department of Energy grant to Utah Clean Cities also will buy three new liquid natural gas stations, three new biodiesel stations and 678 alternative-fueled vehicles for state and local government fleets

[...]

[copious.abundance]

BTW, I recently took a little trip to the local CNG station near me in Everett, Washington to take some pics. This is right off I-5. Handy and convenient to loads of suburban areas.

Overview


Instructions on how to use the pump


You get your choice of 3000 psi . . .


. . . or 3600 psi


They even take Visa, MasterCard and Discover!


Close-up of an actual pump thingy. Pretty simple-looking device.


Behind the pumping area was a concrete enclosure which contained some mechanicals. This was next to the enclosure. I went up and read the label on this thing but I forget what it said it was.


Peeking through one side of the concrete enclosure. Dunno what this was.


And peeking through the other side of the enclosure, I think these were the tanks holding the natural gas.

[copious.abundance]

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]DART panel votes to add nearly 600 natural-gas buses
12:00 AM CDT on Wednesday, October 28, 2009
By MICHAEL A. LINDENBERGER / The Dallas Morning News

The DART board voted Tuesday to solicit bids from firms able to supply nearly 600 new natural gas-powered buses, ending a nearly yearlong debate over whether the transit agency's next-generation fleet should be fueled by natural gas or diesel.

The vote came two weeks after staff members reversed course from last December, and recommended buying the natural gas buses. They cited falling natural gas prices as the reason they no longer think diesel buses are the best buy, despite more than $100 million in construction funds that will have to be borrowed upfront to pay for the conversion to a natural-gas fleet.

[...]

[copious.abundance]

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/drive-on/2010/01/12/chevroletsilveradox-wide-community.jpg[/img]

Jan 12, 2010
Chevrolet and GMC trucks could soon run on LPG, CNG

Look for full-size General Motors pickups -- Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra -- to be powered by propane (LPG) or compressed natural gas (CNG) as soon as 2012, says Jeffrey Luke, chief engineer for GM's full-size trucks worldwide, in a conversation with USA TODAY at the Detroit auto show.

LPG and CNG can be less expensive to use than gasoline. They burn so cleanly that the fuels are used on work vehicles indoors, such as forklifts inside warehouses.

[...]

[TheDude]

American Recycler, March 2010 | SWACO adds CNG powered vehicle to fleet

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Solid Waste Authority of Central Ohio’s (SWACO) Green Energy Center, located in Grove City, Ohio, turns landfill methane gas from decomposing trash into compressed natural gas (CNG) for use in cars and trucks.

[GoghGoner]

I haven't seen actual numbers on how much ng it would take to convert the US fleet of vehicles. Quick calc:

United States:
No. of Vehicles: 250 million
Annual NG consumption per vehicle: 2/9000 bcf

250,000,000 vehicles (2/9000 bcf) = 55, 000 bcf = 55 tcf

Total annual ng production 23 tcf. We import ng from Canada right now to cover demand. Even 25% conversion to CNG has 0.000000000000000000001% chance of happening.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'I') haven't seen actual numbers on how much ng it would take to convert the US fleet of vehicles. Quick calc:

United States:
No. of Vehicles: 250 million
Annual NG consumption per vehicle: 2/9000 bcf

250,000,000 vehicles (2/9000 bcf) = 55, 000 bcf = 55 tcf

Total annual ng production 23 tcf. We import ng from Canada right now to cover demand. Even 25% conversion to CNG has 0.000000000000000000001% chance of happening.

[GoghGoner]

You are the Dude! Thanks for that -- I see my calculations are off quite a bit but it doesn't change the outcome at all.

I'll take your limits and up you one -- asphalt. They will have to make a Hummer CNG to drive on our streets.



Cities need to resurface 80% of their streets according to this article but:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') sampling of midsized cities suggests that with federal transportation funding in limbo, states slashing aid to cities and tax receipts down, few cities are resurfacing anywhere near 10 percent of their streets.

Newark plans to resurface close to 4 percent of its streets this year. Cincinnati is looking at 3 percent, much as Pittsburgh does. Toledo, trying to bridge a $48 million budget deficit, plans to put fresh asphalt on just 1 percent of its road system.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10059/10 ... z0h3WZ0cr1

[vampyregirl]

NG vehicles are not going to replace the ICE. That is not likely to happen. However, as I said, they will be a suppliment to the ICE fleet.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'N')G vehicles are not going to replace the ICE. That is not likely to happen. However, as I said, they will be a suppliment to the ICE fleet.

[vampyregirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'N')G vehicles are not going to replace the ICE. That is not likely to happen. However, as I said, they will be a suppliment to the ICE fleet.