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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby the48thronin » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 17:02:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NickyBoy', 'N')o, I think he's right. It is only one small group and we are discussing Empires.

The Palestinians consisted of less than a million people at the time. The British Empire had almost 500 million people within it.

Quoting what happened to 0.2% of the Empires population during the decolonisation period doesn't really counter what I said about it being mostly smooth with some bad bits, or me using it as an example for a non catastrophic Empire breakup.

To put it in perspective, its equivalent to America facing down all its coming problems and out of the entire USA only having half of San Jose in California suffering significantly from the fallout.

When you look at some of the predictions here, thats a Utopian future by comparison :P


ok so tell it to the Pakistani's and the Indians ( don't forget east pakistan. ( you know who they are now) about how well the english empire went away soo smoothly...
Oh wait they don't count either do they, no more than the citizens of Hong Kong.. never mnd.. You believe it that makes it true!
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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby timmac » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 23:46:07

Now take it one step at a time, the discussion is almost all quoted above.. which EMPIRE dissolution were we discussing again...

The discussing here was about the America empire and its decline, than it moved to Rome's decline than one discussing about British decline and how it did not suffer much, than you added the Palestine's, yes they were ruled by British but that does not make it important about the decline of a empire, Palestine has never been a country and never will be, when the British left Palestine they should have held there own but they can't because they are wasting there time trying to oust the Jews that are the real land owners..
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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 12 Aug 2009, 16:13:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'L')ook at the mess we made of the American Continent in several short hundred years. There was forest canopy from the Atlantic to the Rocky Mountains Mississippi before the Mongols British showed up. It took the Romans thousands to denude and ruin the Mediterranean and the Mongols we did it with stone age tools! in a relative wink of an eye.




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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Wed 12 Aug 2009, 18:53:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'L')ook at the mess we made of the American Continent in several short hundred years. There was forest canopy from the Atlantic to the Mississippi before the British showed up. It took the Romans thousands to denude and ruin the Mediterranean and we did it in a relative wink of an eye.

Who set up this country? The British. They are the Devil's Spawn for shure :P


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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby timmac » Thu 03 Sep 2009, 00:42:33

Check this story out, who thinks this Russian will be proven wrong or right..



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ussian Professor: Collapse Of America Could Begin In Two Months
Sept/01/09.



Russian Professor Igor Panarin says that events are continuing to confirm his doomsday prediction first made over 10 years ago, that the United States will completely collapse like the Soviet Union before the end of 2010, and warns that the chaos could begin to unfold in as little as two months.

Panarin, doctor of political sciences and professor of the Russian Diplomatic Academy Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told journalists during the unveiling of his new book yesterday that President Obama has done nothing to forestall the fast approaching crisis and that it could begin to properly unfold in November.

“Obama is “the president of hope”, but in a year there won’t be any hope,” said Panarin. “He’s practically another Gorbachev – he likes to talk but hasn’t really managed to do anything. Gorbachev at least had been a secretary of a regional communist party administration, whereas Obama was just a social worker. His mentality is totally different. He’s a nice person and talks nicely – but he’s not a leader and will take America to a crash. When Americans understand that – it will be like a bomb explosion.”

Since 1998, Panarin has been warning of a future disintegration of the United States and the collapse of the dollar. The recent election victory for Japan’s Democratic Party is another sign that the economic collapse of the U.S. is imminent, according to Panarin.


“Today I received another confirmation that the collapse of the dollar and the US is inevitable. Japan’s Democratic Party won the election, and I’d like to remind you that its leader [Yukio Hatoyama] has the snubbing of the dollar among his economic plans. In plainer words, he plans to transfer Japan’s monetary reserves from US dollars into another currency. The move will seriously accelerate the dollar’s exchange slump as early as this November. Disintegration will follow shortly,” he said, adding that next year China would also begin to massively dump the dollar and that Russia would begin to sell oil and gas for roubles.

Panarin previously stated that the dollar would eventually be replaced with “a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit”, referring to the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement between the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

He foresees the U.S. breaking up into six different parts, roughly along lines similar to those of 1865 during the Civil War, “The Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong,” according to Panarin.


Longer term, Panarin predicts that the breakaway states will eventually be taken over by the European Union, Canada, China, Mexico, Japan and Russia and America will cease to exist altogether, as depicted in the illustration above.

Panarin blames the collapse on a “political elite that implements an absurd and aggressive policy that aims to create conflicts around the planet” and warns that increasing firearms sales in the U.S. are a sign that people are preparing for “chaos” in the aftermath of a total financial meltdown.

“In my opinion, the probability of the US ceasing to exist by June, 2010 exceeds 50%. At this point, the mission of all major international powers is to prevent chaos in the US,” Panarin concluded.
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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 03 Sep 2009, 01:55:56

Panarin is wrong.
US may eventually collapse but the process will take a decade at least to complete.

However more likely scenario is for US to transform itself in Third World country armed with atomic weapons, very much like Russia or India is now.
Few years might be enough to complete such transformation.

I am much more concerned about European Union collapse.
EU is a full belly product so once shortages begun, fierce competition between member states will shred it apart.
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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby eXpat » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 17:49:29

Niall Ferguson: U.S. Empire in Decline, on Collision Course with China
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. is an empire in decline, according to Niall Ferguson, Harvard professor and author of The Ascent of Money.

"People have predicted the end of America in the past and been wrong," Ferguson concedes. "But let's face it: If you're trying to borrow $9 trillion to save your financial system...and already half your public debt held by foreigners, it's not really the conduct of rising empires, is it?"

Given its massive deficits and overseas military adventures, America today is similar to the Spanish Empire in the 17th century and Britain's in the 20th, he says. "Excessive debt is usually a predictor of subsequent trouble."

Putting a finer point on it, Ferguson says America today is comparable to Britain circa 1900: a dominant empire underestimating the rise of a new power. In Britain's case back then it was Germany; in America's case today, it's China.

"When China's economy is equal in size to that of the U.S., which could come as early as 2027...it means China becomes not only a major economic competitor - it's that already, it then becomes a diplomatic competitor and a military competitor," the history professor declares.

The most obvious sign of this is China's major naval construction program, featuring next generation submarines and up to three aircraft carriers, Ferguson says. "There's no other way of interpreting this than as a challenge to the hegemony of the U.S. in the Asia-Pacific region."

As to analysts like Stratfor's George Friedman, who downplay China's naval ambitions, Ferguson notes British experts - including Winston Churchill - were similarly complacent about Germany at the dawn of the 20th century.

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Re: Decline and Fall of the American Empire

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 22 Oct 2009, 20:36:23

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americ ... genumber=1


More predictions of the coming fall of The Empire. A quick sample:

No, not just another meltdown, another bear-market recession like the one recently triggered by Wall Street's too-greedy-to-fail banks. Faber is warning that the entire system of capitalism will collapse. Get it? The engine driving the great "American Economic Empire" for 233 years will collapse, a total disaster, a destiny we created.

OK, deny it. But I'll bet you have a nagging feeling that maybe he's right, that the end may be near.
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