[timmac]

I read the article but it must be a typo error, I would think from what I know about electric battery recharging is usually 110 volts takes 8 hours and 220 volts takes 4 hours, I own a Taylor-Dunn electric truck that hauls a ton of trash for one of my contracts and with 110 volt 30 amp charger I can fully charge in 6-8 hours, granted I have less batteries but one would still think 220 volts and what ever amp charger should be a lot faster than 8 hours..

[Plantagenet]

The Nissan Leaf could be a Volt killer.

The Leaf has better then twice the range of the Volt on electric power, and the Leaf will sell for $25-30,000 bucks instead of the $40,000 that GM is going to have to charge for a Volt.

Looks like the GM-Volt is going to be the GM-Dolt.

[TheDude]

Couldn't care less about how sexy any tech is, as they say on Broadway, can you put asses in seats? Nissan's sales are -24.6% down YOY for July, we'll see what shape they're in 3 years from now when they attempt to sell 200k Leaves/year. Toyota are still struggling to crank out another 200k Prii: Toyota Lost Touch, Executive Says - WSJ.com

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s part of the overall replanning process, Mr. Inaba said he is evaluating what to do with a partially built plant in Mississippi where Toyota planned to produce its Prius hybrid.

That factory was indefinitely postponed last year. Restarting work on it depends on how strong demand is for the Prius and how the company reshuffles production to address overcapacity. Prius sales have fallen after soaring last year amid then-high gasoline prices.

To assemble the Prius in the U.S. Toyota would seek to produce some of the vehicle's parts locally, he said.

[timmac]

Unless GM surprises us all come Tuesday, if they can only go around 40 or so miles on a charge that is not very good unless it cost $10,000 or less, my Taylor-Dunn can do about 15 miles per charge and I paid $2500 for it used..

There 230 add has to mean something good I would think ??

[miraculix]

let me join in and spill my two cents worth

the 230 probably is referring to the voltage - hence, the outlet pic for the 0

the electric grid needs to be rebuilt and the standard should be 230 V lines, just like in any self-respecting developed country accross the globe

It will cut charge times substantially and it would set the stage for government and private infrastructure investment

until tomorrow then

[Maddog78]

Not to be an asshole but who cares what it means?

How many will they sell for $40,000?
Some to a few rich tech geeks who want to make a show to their neighbours, much like the 1st gen. Prius but that's about it.
It will take another gas spike to $4 and probably huge gov't subsidies to get many of these things on the road.

I'll be sticking to my ICE for a good while yet.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Nissan Leaf could be a Volt killer.

The Leaf has better then twice the range of the Volt on electric power, and the Leaf will sell for $25-30,000 bucks instead of the $40,000 that GM is going to have to charge for a Volt.

Looks like the GM-Volt is going to be the GM-Dolt.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'U')nless GM surprises us all come Tuesday, if they can only go around 40 or so miles on a charge that is not very good unless it cost $10,000 or less, my Taylor-Dunn can do about 15 miles per charge and I paid $2500 for it used..

There 230 add has to mean something good I would think ??

[lowem]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('miraculix', 't')he 230 probably is referring to the voltage - hence, the outlet pic for the 0

From CNBC: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')M's Says Volt to Get 230 Miles Per Gallon (story developing)

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eneral Motors Co. expects its Volt electric car to earn a fuel-economy rating of at least 230 miles per gallon for city driving, more than four times that of Toyota Motor Corp.’s Prius hybrid, people familiar with the plans said.

[Ferretlover]

I saw it on tv this am: The zero is not a zero, it is a plug. Think smiley face.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I') saw it on tv this am: The zero is not a zero, it is a plug. Think smiley face.

[Maddog78]

What is the gas mileage on a 2000 mile trip?

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'T')his is what it means, 230 mile range, not mpg, I don't think GM has the knowledge to produce 100 mpg let alone 230 mpg. However 230 mile range is pretty good for the GM Volt, however there $40,000 price is not good for a car you can't take on long distance trips.. However it could also mean 230 miles on the 1st gal, than a lot less after that.

[Maddog78]

Haha, very funny.

I guess you'll be buying one as soon as they come out?

[Minvaren]

This quote from the Bloomberg article gets me (emphasis mine) :

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')M has offered its own caution about the risk associated with the Volt. The model “has not yet proven to be commercially viable,” according to a regulatory filing last week. The technology required to power the car may not be developed in time for its planned 2010 debut, the automaker said.

[Maddog78]

Watch and see this thing will be a disaster.

It will either be
a) They can't build them.

or

b) They do build them but hardly anyone buys one.

[timmac]

Update ;
Just found more info about there so called 230 mpg, its not as they say, it goes something like this, if you drive 40 or less miles per day and plug it in at night than over a 230 mile period the generator will only kick on a few times and will only use 1 gal over the 230 mile range not driving more than 40 miles per day city streets only and plugging in at night.

Now that sucks, that's not 230 mpg, that's Bullshit sells talk, after driving more than 40 miles in 1 day the generator will stay running and mpg has not been listed for this, why not GM.

I now take back again what I said earler today, I would not pay $40,000 for a electric car that only goes 40 miles.

I thought GM did not have enough brains to even get 100 mpg and I was right after all.

Now I am very happy I traded my 97 Chevy truck for a 09 Nissan truck...