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Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 14:37:30

The Corpus Christi Caller-Times, 2 Aug 2009, front page:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ueces County [TX] is seeing an increase in the number of people whose families cannot afford to bury them.
By June, the county buried 242 people. For the same time period over the past few years, that number has hovered around 203. The County traditionally spends about $135k per year on pauper burials, but this year has shifted an additional $20k. Under Texas law, counties must pay to bury paupers. ...

Have we taken into account all the funeral parlors, and, associated venders, that increased pauper burials will affect? This type of demand destruction will reduce resource losses a bit.
Any place else seeing this situation?
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 14:50:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')he Corpus Christi Caller-Times, 2 Aug 2009, front page:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ueces County [TX] is seeing an increase in the number of people whose families cannot afford to bury them.
By June, the county buried 242 people. For the same time period over the past few years, that number has hovered around 203. The County traditionally spends about $135k per year on pauper burials, but this year has shifted an additional $20k. Under Texas law, counties must pay to bury paupers. ...

Have we taken into account all the funeral parlors, and, associated venders, that increased pauper burials will affect? This type of demand destruction will reduce resource losses a bit.
Any place else seeing this situation?


Maybe we need a federal government stimulus program for the burial industry?

We can call it ..........."Cash for Corpses".
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Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 15:02:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ueces County [TX] is seeing an increase in the number of people whose families cannot afford to bury them. --snip-- Any place else seeing this situation?
Maybe we need a federal government stimulus program for the burial industry? We can call it ..........."Cash for Corpses".

You know, a couple of years ago, I would have called your comment "nuttier than a fruitcake." Things certainly have changed, haven't they?
You volunteering to be the death authenticator? :)
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 15:16:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or the same time period over the past few years, that number has hovered around 203. The County traditionally spends about $135k per year on pauper burials,


Holy Guacamole! $7000 per corpse? They spend that much to dispose of 150 pounds of dead flesh? How this even possibe, they are burned with ebony wood and smoked with truffels?
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 15:32:44

http://www.dailypress.com/news/national ... 7188.story


Yup LA. Over 700/year now.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 15:36:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')hings certainly have changed, haven't they? You volunteering to be the death authenticator?

No thanks. But I wouldn't mind being the official government Death Czar .....if the position came with federal government health and retirement benefits :)
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Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 16:53:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or the same time period over the past few years, that number has hovered around 203. The County traditionally spends about $135k per year on pauper burials,
Holy Guacamole! $7000 per corpse? They spend that much to dispose of 150 pounds of dead flesh? How this even possibe, they are burned with ebony wood and smoked with truffels?

Storage. transport, paper work. Sure it would be cheaper if you could just send a woodchipper and render them on the spot without looking for next of kin.

Heck, if you want to dispose of bodies no questions asked for $500 a pop, you'd get lots of business. It would be like the dead cart in Monty Python and The Holy Grail.
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 17:37:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')he Corpus Christi Caller-Times, 2 Aug 2009, front page:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ueces County [TX] is seeing an increase in the number of people whose families cannot afford to bury them.
By June, the county buried 242 people. For the same time period over the past few years, that number has hovered around 203. The County traditionally spends about $135k per year on pauper burials, but this year has shifted an additional $20k. Under Texas law, counties must pay to bury paupers. ...

Have we taken into account all the funeral parlors, and, associated venders, that increased pauper burials will affect? This type of demand destruction will reduce resource losses a bit.
Any place else seeing this situation?


Before you get too excited check the overall county death rate variation from year to year. When the death rate goes up so does the pauper funeral rate, & vice verse as well. So many of our old folks in MI have moved south and west that our overall death rate is significantly down from the last 5 year average.
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 06 Aug 2009, 14:32:04

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... ml?cnn=yes


Time Magazine! FL, you were a few days ahead of them. Very suspicious....
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Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 06 Aug 2009, 15:04:28

:lol: Anybody ever get the feeling that the media often gets its story ideas after having been here at PO?
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Thu 06 Aug 2009, 15:43:17

what a waste of energy.

i would say, "compost them" (return the nutrients to the soil) but this raises the question of who gets to turn the compost pile.

seems like economic trends are creating a situation where burying them in mass graves will become the practice.

can't help but wonder if any of these cities are thinking of selling body parts. there is a market; plenty of wealthy people willing to pay big $$ for a healthy liver. might be illegal but that didn't stop the Rabbi's in New Jersey.
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby OutOfGas » Thu 06 Aug 2009, 16:43:43

I recenly started seeing ads for green funerals. They do not use chemicals on the body and bury you in a wicker box,
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby hope_full » Thu 06 Aug 2009, 17:30:54

If we do "cash for corpses," will we have to pour liquid glass into the casket before we bury it proper?
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 04:45:59

Haven't these people heard of lobsters or pigs? They'd take care of the bodies for free. Why pay anything?
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 08:33:40

Just get cremated right after death. That's the cheapest way out.

From hospital to crematorium.
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Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 11:52:42

"Cash for corpses" -that is funny!

Do we have any funeral directors or public health people here? My question: If a human or animal dies of something that is, at some time in its existence contagious, and the body is buried sans coffin, how likely is it that the contagion can be picked up by later using that soil, or, by drinking the groundwater?

Funerals and coffins are very expensive, often costing thousands of dollars. When people decide that burials are a good DIY project, how might this affect people and animals nearby?
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Unread postby lateStarter » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 12:13:03

I have already instructed my wife as follows: if she looks out the window and sees me face down in the field behind our house: DNR! Just dig a hole next to where I am lying, roll me into the hole and cover with dirt. I have requested that sunflowers be grown next season on that location. Why does it have to any more complicated than that?
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 16:23:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '&')quot;Cash for corpses" -that is funny!
Do we have any funeral directors or public health people here? My question: If a human or animal dies of something that is, at some time in its existence contagious, and the body is buried sans coffin, how likely is it that the contagion can be picked up by later using that soil, or, by drinking the groundwater?
Funerals and coffins are very expensive, often costing thousands of dollars. When people decide that burials are a good DIY project, how might this affect people and animals nearby?

It depends on contagious agent, animals with anthrax had to be buried 3 m down if i recall it correctly.Its virulent for 50 years or so.
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 16:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'I') have already instructed my wife as follows: if she looks out the window and sees me face down in the field behind our house: DNR! Just dig a hole next to where I am lying, roll me into the hole and cover with dirt. I have requested that sunflowers be grown next season on that location. Why does it have to any more complicated than that?


Not legal here in the States.
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Re: Number of pauper burials increases locally

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 17:42:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '&')quot;Cash for corpses" -that is funny!
Do we have any funeral directors or public health people here? My question: If a human or animal dies of something that is, at some time in its existence contagious, and the body is buried sans coffin, how likely is it that the contagion can be picked up by later using that soil, or, by drinking the groundwater?
Funerals and coffins are very expensive, often costing thousands of dollars. When people decide that burials are a good DIY project, how might this affect people and animals nearby?

If you add something to the body to kill off all the germs, microbes, fungi and bacteria then let the soil bacteria do the decomposing it won't be a problem. I would recommend ethanol as your preservative/disinfectant. Currently embalming fluid does the trick, but it usually has a lot of formaldehyde in it as the disinfectant/preservative. Ethanol if used as an embalming agent rids the body of almost all disease agents, however it has a very profound dehydrating effect making the flesh shrink up and the deceased person to look emaciated, which is why they switched many years ago to Formaldehyde solution mixtures.

If you are going high tech you could use a radiation source like an X-Ray tube or a Cobalt-60 capsule to kill off everything and bury the deceased disease free without embalming at all. Guaranteed the soil bacteria will start breaking those ones down soon after burial, the ethanol embalmed ones will decay more slowly until all of the ethanol is broken down by oxidation.

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