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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:22:14

Costs Slide Prompts Wave Of Project Delays

"The global financial crisis is poised to cut a swathe through projects throughout the Gulf."

"When a company like Saudi AramcoSaudi Aramco starts to delay project bids, it generally spells trouble for many others and a triple whammy of uncertainties – materials, financing, and oil price – suggests that negotiations on project pricing between sponsors and contractors will become tougher in the months ahead, and that further postponements are likely."

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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:34:22

Slowdown signs - Oil industry CAPEX to fall if crude steady


Reuters citing Mr Helge Lund CEO of Norwegian oil and gas producer StatoilHydro as saying that, the company expects the oil industry's investment spending to continue to decline in 2010 if oil prices remain steady around current levels. Mr Helge Lund said "If the current oil price environment continues and the outlook is not significantly changed, there will be further reductions in investments in the oil sector generally, and more specifically on the Norwegian continental shelf. He said that it was too early to discuss more exact CAPEX plans for 2010 and would not specify the oil price needed for investment pending to remain steady next year.” StatoilHydro has forecast CAPEX spending of roughly USD 13.5 billion in 2009 down from USD 16 billion in 2008. But he said StatoilHydro has had constructive dialogue with oil services providers over costs and quality. Last year Mr Lund called on oilfield service companies to cut costs. Mr Lund said "We see all over the world that people have to adjust their cost base, and we have a common interest in doing this because without it, it would be hard to launch new projects."

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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:37:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '[')b]Costs Slide Prompts Wave Of Project Delays

"The global financial crisis is poised to cut a swathe through projects throughout the Gulf."

"When a company like Saudi AramcoSaudi Aramco starts to delay project bids, it generally spells trouble for many others and a triple whammy of uncertainties – materials, financing, and oil price – suggests that negotiations on project pricing between sponsors and contractors will become tougher in the months ahead, and that further postponements are likely."

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidv51n4 ... 20Projects

Do you have any idea what you just posted???

:lol:

That article says that projects are being delayed because their costs are going down!

Yes - that's what it says: Aramco's latest projects are getting cheaper, not more expensive!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Plunging costs for raw materials and the expectation of further slides are prompting Gulf project sponsors with an eye to making major savings to reschedule bidding dates on lump sum turnkey (LSTK) projects

The only reason they're delaying them is because they can bring down the price by doing so!

You're so desperate to post bad news, you post something which you think is bad news, but is really good news! You didn't even bother to read it carefully!

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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:46:04

You just dont understand the problem with reduced costs do you OF???

At some point the loss of revenue from lowering costs, both in the materials industry and the oil sector result in ...wait for it.........


BANKRUPTCY and loss of capacity. Which results in less ability to move forward with new projects and already delayed ones. You need to think ahead a bit OF, your not planning the moves far enough out. This is the crux of the problem and its getting bigger all the time. The inability to predict costs for projects, even if they are LOWER causes delay or cancellation due to risk. Down the road a piece, if and when demand does come back, where are you going to be??

Maybe this is rocket science for you but it isn't for me.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:46:40

Indian Oil Delays Overseas Investment on Reduced Cash

July 14 (Bloomberg) -- Indian Oil Corp., the nation’s biggest refiner, will delay crude-processing and pipeline projects overseas, including Nigeria and Turkey, because of reduced cash flow after selling fuels below cost.

“We may not be able to expand overseas in a big way because of the liquidity crunch,” Brij Mohan Bansal, the company’s director of planning and business development, said in a telephone interview from New Delhi yesterday, without providing details. “We are keeping on the backburner our overseas projects, be it refineries or pipelines.”

State-run Indian Oil, which owns stakes in ventures in Africa and the Middle East, had planned to expand overseas to offset some of the loss in revenue from selling fuels below cost to help the government curb inflation. Revenue loss for Indian Oil and its rivals may reach 150 billion rupees ($3 billion) in the year ending March, Oil Secretary R.S. Pandey said on May 13

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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:51:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou just dont understand the problem with reduced costs do you OF???

And, obviously, you don't. You just said that as a cop-out to justify your embarrassing post.

To wit: Are you trying to tell me that Manifa would be better if it was 25% more expensive??? What kind of nonsense is that?
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby jbrovont » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:54:09

OilFinder - I think it will be hard to pass judgement on oil production projects being delayed as a good thing. Granted, yes reduced production cost is good, but it also shows the producers are betting on a deeper recession coupled with deflation. One of the effects will be that even in the event of a recovery, delayed investment now will equate to less supply later. So yes, I agree that reduced production costs are good news, but with a grain of salt, since by betting on reduced demand, the producers are guaranteeing less supply in the future (thereby probably higher real prices).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '[')b]Costs Slide Prompts Wave Of Project Delays

"The global financial crisis is poised to cut a swathe through projects throughout the Gulf."

"When a company like Saudi AramcoSaudi Aramco starts to delay project bids, it generally spells trouble for many others and a triple whammy of uncertainties – materials, financing, and oil price – suggests that negotiations on project pricing between sponsors and contractors will become tougher in the months ahead, and that further postponements are likely."
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:56:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou just dont understand the problem with reduced costs do you OF???


At some point the loss of revenue from lowering costs, both in the materials industry and the oil sector result in ...wait for it.........

BANKRUPTCY and loss of capacity. Which results in less ability to move forward with new projects and already delayed ones. You need to think ahead a bit OF, your not planning the moves far enough out. This is the crux of the problem and its getting bigger all the time. The inability to predict costs for projects, even if they are LOWER causes delay or cancellation due to risk. Down the road a piece, if and when demand does come back, where are you going to be??

Maybe this is rocket science for you but it isn't for me.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 01:57:43

More "bad" news: Oil sands costs are going down too! We must be doomed! :lol:

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Oil sands catches break from recession
Shawn McCarthy
OTTAWA — From Thursday's Globe and Mail
Last updated on Friday, Jul. 17, 2009 02:32AM EDT

The current slowdown could prove a boon for Canadian oil sands producers, driving down construction and operating costs and giving time for the development of infrastructure needed for the industry's growth.

Signs of a thaw are already appearing, half a year after several companies shelved their most ambitious expansion plans amid diving crude prices and a breakdown of financial markets.

Smaller oil sands companies, including Canadian Oil Sands Trust and Petrobank Energy and Resources Ltd., have been able to raise debt and equity financing to finance their operations.

And larger companies are taking advantage of the hiatus to re-engineer their projects in order to drive down costs and incorporate the latest environmental technologies.


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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 02:00:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou just dont understand the problem with reduced costs do you OF???

And, obviously, you don't. You just said that as a cop-out to justify your embarrassing post.


Nope, Im trying to get you to think a bit more strategically and your failing in your emotionally charged effort to refute the doomer.

Get away from that and think about it.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 02:02:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou just dont understand the problem with reduced costs do you OF???


At some point the loss of revenue from lowering costs, both in the materials industry and the oil sector result in ...wait for it.........

BANKRUPTCY and loss of capacity. Which results in less ability to move forward with new projects and already delayed ones. You need to think ahead a bit OF, your not planning the moves far enough out. This is the crux of the problem and its getting bigger all the time. The inability to predict costs for projects, even if they are LOWER causes delay or cancellation due to risk. Down the road a piece, if and when demand does come back, where are you going to be??

Maybe this is rocket science for you but it isn't for me.

More compete, utter, fabricated garbage!

You're telling me it's better for an oil company to pay $100 now for some piece of steel on a project (which isn't even needed right away), rather than waiting a few months when they know they can get bids for the same piece of steel at only $70.

:lol:

I hope you pay an additional 20% for everything you buy AP! Just think how much better off you'll be! :lol:
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 02:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'N')ope, Im trying to get you to think a bit more strategically and your failing in your emotionally charged effort to refute the doomer.

Get away from that and think about it.

Another lame comeback. Face it AP, that post was an embarrassment. It supports my case, not yours.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 02:11:12

And from the same article above which Oily just posted....

""Low oil prices, steep declines in stock valuations and limited capital for oil sands development have created a ripe environment for mergers and acquisitions [M&A]," its analysts said in the report. However, companies will approach M&A opportunities cautiously, given the volatile nature of the commodity and financial markets. At the height of the boom, CAPP said oil sands production would grow to 3.5 million barrels a day by 2015. It has since revised that forecast to between 1.9 million and 2.2 million barrels a day.

This is the problem your refusing to acknowledge Oily. This is probably optimistic too. Its worse than this article will acknowledge in reality.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 02:13:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'A')nother lame comeback. Face it AP, that post was an embarrassment. It supports my case, not yours.


Yeah an embarrasment for you but your too short sighted to understand it.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 10:22:38

Refinery capacity must be increased for two reasons: mostly to process new fields that have low quality heavy oil (especially from Saudi Arabia and Canada), and less importantly, to get refined products closer to their final destination, like India and China, to reduce shipping (bunker oil) costs.

This will result in excess and unused capacity in the US and Europe, which will eventually result in refinery shutdowns there.

Therefore investment in new refinery infrastructure must continue even as total world output falls - if the price of oil remains high. However that necessary investment is being postponed because at $60 oil, it is just not profitable to continue with new investment in most any kind of refineries, or heavy oil fields.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 13:27:54

DantesPeak has a grasp of the concept Oily. It doesnt matter what the demand picture of the moment looks like. What matters is the price of crude over the long haul and what it does to project and infrastructure planning. The current situation may look benign but when you bother to read between the lines and understand what failing investment now means down the road it becomes clear that we are in big trouble.

If you dont grasp that, then i'd suggest you learn to look farther ahead than your cornucopian glasses are allowing you to see.

Volatility is a very bad thing for the energy industry. While Peak is currently being masked slightly, that paradigm wont last forever.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 19:31:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'R')efinery capacity must be increased for two reasons: mostly to process new fields that have low quality heavy oil (especially from Saudi Arabia and Canada), and less importantly, to get refined products closer to their final destination, like India and China, to reduce shipping (bunker oil) costs.

As I said:
>>> Gasoline imports from India <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Global crude distillation capacity is forecast to increase by 7.6 million barrels a day between 2008 and 2014, the International Energy Agency said June 29 in its Medium-Term Oil Market Report. The rise is more than twice the 3.2 million barrels of projected oil demand growth.

“There’s all these export refineries being built in India and China,” Bjorn Moller, chief executive officer of Teekay Corp., the world’s largest shipowner, said in a June 23 interview. “They have surplus product, it gets shipped to the Atlantic. You’re seeing crude oil shipped to Asia, refined, and shipped back to the Atlantic.” [...]

Now, the particular refinery mentioned in that article is, in fact, designed to process heavier and sour grades of crude.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n completion, the RPL refinery will have the ability to process heavy and sour crude oil

So, that which you say should be happening, is happening.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 19:38:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'A')nd from the same article above which Oily just posted....

""Low oil prices, steep declines in stock valuations and limited capital for oil sands development have created a ripe environment for mergers and acquisitions [M&A]," its analysts said in the report. However, companies will approach M&A opportunities cautiously, given the volatile nature of the commodity and financial markets. At the height of the boom, CAPP said oil sands production would grow to 3.5 million barrels a day by 2015. It has since revised that forecast to between 1.9 million and 2.2 million barrels a day.

This is the problem your refusing to acknowledge Oily. This is probably optimistic too. Its worse than this article will acknowledge in reality.

Yawn. It doesn't matter. The major market for that oil sands oil - the US - has this particular phenomenon occurring:
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That's a 3 million bpd decline in just 2 years. If the Canadians did increase oil sands output to 3.5 million bpd by 2015, they would probably flood the market and crash the price.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 22:21:00

Oily, how long do you think that chart will look like that?

Seriously?
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 22:31:37

Dunno. Most major oil companies think US oil consumption peaked in 2007. Maybe they're right. If they are, a lack of an additional 2 million bpd or thereabouts from Canada by 2015 won't be a big deal.
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