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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby JJ » Mon 13 Jul 2009, 14:58:30

thank you Ludi. I have been thinking this for months.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby pablonite » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 18:58:33

Mandatory Swine Flu Vaccination Alert
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14370
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')et ready because that's precisely what's coming - universal orders to risk toxic vaccine hazards. In the coming weeks, the dominant media globally will get into high gear fear-mongering mode to convince people voluntarily to submit to jeopardizing their health and well-being. It's essential to refuse and be safe and international law absolutely protects us.


New Mexico Department Of Health Prepares For Influenza Mass Vaccination Clinics
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157318.php
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')1N1 illness has been mild so far in New Mexico. Twenty-two clinics across New Mexico are reporting weekly on the percent of patient visits with influenza-like illness. So far, there have been no clusters of H1N1 cases in New Mexico and no deaths. Thirteen people have been hospitalized, and everyone has recovered.


A lot of people are going to get a jab this fall, just a question of what happens to those who refuse.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby JJ » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 20:05:11

" It's essential to refuse and be safe and international law absolutely protects us. "

what law?
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60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 04:47:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HE entire UK population is to be vaccinated against swine flu following the death of the first healthy British patient.
The NHS will receive the new vaccine in the next few weeks and is expected to fast-track the drug through regulatory approval within five days.

Scottish ministers are currently drawing up plans to decide which population groups should be first to be vaccinated, following reports there will not be enough for the Scottish population until November 2010.

The NHS is understood to be planning to vaccinate as many as 20 million people in Britain before the end of the year.

The move comes after the death of an Essex man on Friday who was the first person without underlying health problems to have died after contracting the virus.
http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,48943.0.html


I assume this is mandatory? I guess we Americans are likely next on the forced vaccination lists. Anyone have any opinions about submitting to a jab of "fast-tracked" approved, untested vaccine?

I suppose if everyone around me is dropping from swine flu, and I couldn't get a vaccine, I'd be complaining about that. ;) But unless the emergency is truly dire, I'm personally very hesitant about being a guinea pig for some vaccine that hasn't gone through the normal approvals.
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Grautr » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 04:57:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')HE entire UK population is to be vaccinated against swine flu following the death of the first healthy British patient. The NHS will receive the new vaccine in the next few weeks and is expected to fast-track the drug through regulatory approval within five days.
Scottish ministers are currently drawing up plans to decide which population groups should be first to be vaccinated, following reports there will not be enough for the Scottish population until November 2010. The NHS is understood to be planning to vaccinate as many as 20 million people in Britain before the end of the year.
The move comes after the death of an Essex man on Friday who was the first person without underlying health problems to have died after contracting the virus.
http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,48943.0.html

I assume this is mandatory? I guess we Americans are likely next on the forced vaccination lists. Anyone have any opinions about submitting to a jab of "fast-tracked" approved, untested vaccine?

I suppose if everyone around me is dropping from swine flu, and I couldn't get a vaccine, I'd be complaining about that. ;) But unless the emergency is truly dire, I'm personally very hesitant about being a guinea pig for some vaccine that hasn't gone through the normal approvals.


Lets test it out on the Brits first and if the side effects and fatalities are not so sever the rest of the world can use it.
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Gerben » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 05:01:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') assume this is mandatory?

No. I expect a significant proportion not to take the vaccine and try to free-ride (profiting from the fact that others who have been vaccinated can no longer spread it). But with too many people not taking it that wouldn't work. So please take your shot.
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Quinny » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 05:08:53

... but what if it turns me into a zombie, or worse still it might be soma ! :lol:
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Grautr » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 05:15:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '.').. but what if it turns me into a zombie, or worse still it might be soma ! :lol:



I thought you was a zombie Quinny! I've been adding extra defences to my doombunker to keep the likes of you out. :P
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Caffeine » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 05:36:23

Baxter International had an "Oops" recently related to avian flu:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

Then there's this article, "Austrian Journalist Charges WHO, UN with Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder with Flu Vaccine"

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/97582

For a little history about vaccinations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak
http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000647_Bayer_vaccines_HIV.html
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Quinny » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 07:07:18

No - I used to be a werewolf, but I'm alright ..noooooooooooooooowooooow!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'I') thought you was a zombie Quinny! I've been adding extra defences to my doombunker to keep the likes of you out. :P
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby Fishman » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 09:36:44

Don't be the first, don't be the last to get vaccinated. If you swear off vaccines, great! Disease reduces populations faster than starvation. Spend a day in some undeveloped country, see polio, tetanus, etc., you will take any and all vaccines distributed.
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby frankthetank » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 09:50:16

Anyone on here have it? I was sick as a dog on Monday. Laid in bed ALL day because i had 0 energy, chills, sore throat, bad headache... Still today i have a little headache and sore throat. My whole family has been sick the last week. I don't remember the last time i've been sick like that in JULY!

Did you guys see that story about the Wisconsin research that showed that elderly that had been around during the 1918 outbreak still have what it takes to fight off swine? Pretty crazy.

Who says that aren't vaccinating the wealthy countries so they can unleash the super bug on the planet to do some house cleaning on ma earth?
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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby frankthetank » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 10:01:12

Give me the vaccine!

from wiki
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much deadlier than the first. During the first wave, which began in early March, the epidemic resembled typical flu epidemics. Those at the most risk were the sick and elderly, and younger, healthier people recovered easily. But in August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone and the United States,[39] the virus had mutated to a much more deadly form. This has been attributed to the circumstances of the First World War.[40] In civilian life evolutionary pressures favor a mild strain: those who get really sick stay home, but those mildly ill continue with their lives, go to work and go shopping, preferentially spreading the mild strain. In the trenches the evolutionary pressures were reversed: soldiers with a mild strain remained where they were, while the severely ill were sent on crowded trains to crowded field hospitals, spreading the deadlier virus. So the second wave began and flu quickly spread around the world again.[41] It was the same flu, in that those who recovered from first-wave infections were immune, but it was far more deadly, and the most vulnerable people were those like the soldiers in the trenches—young, otherwise healthy, adults.[42] Consequently, during modern pandemics, health officials pay attention when the virus reaches places with social upheaval, looking for deadlier strains of the virus.[41]


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Re: 60 million UK citizens to be vaccinated against swine flu

Postby NickyBoy » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 09:29:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'A')nyone on here have it? I was sick as a dog on Monday. Laid in bed ALL day because i had 0 energy, chills, sore throat, bad headache... Still today i have a little headache and sore throat. My whole family has been sick the last week. I don't remember the last time i've been sick like that in JULY!

Did you guys see that story about the Wisconsin research that showed that elderly that had been around during the 1918 outbreak still have what it takes to fight off swine? Pretty crazy.

Who says that aren't vaccinating the wealthy countries so they can unleash the super bug on the planet to do some house cleaning on ma earth?


I am just getting over the hump of it now.

I work at a school in Essex and caught it off one of the students.For me, It wasn't that bad. Headaches, nausea, some pain, a high temperature. Meh, just like normal flu.

Despite feeling much better now, I'm not allowed back to work. I suppose a one week extension to the summer holidays is a worthy compensation for my discomfort.

At least I won't need a vaccination :lol:
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby pablonite » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 21:52:15

The right to refuse medicine law? I have no idea.

Sweden prepares for mass vaccinations
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... _strategy_
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')esearchers commissioned by the agencies recently projected that some 400,000 of Sweden’s 9 million inhabitants could be infected with the virus this autumn. A worst-case scenario suggested that 5 million people could be infected.

The agencies were preparing contingency plans for mass vaccination.

'Such a large vaccination programme has never been conducted in Sweden before and represents a major challenge,' said Anders Tegnell of the National Board of Health and Welfare's infectious disease unit.


Do they just pull these numbers right out of their arse or what?
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby frankthetank » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 00:49:56

Swine? flu or just a cold?
I went out drinking sat night, felt ok, not great sunday...headache in the evening...
Monday had 0 energy, laid in bed for roughly 24hrs, weakness, chills, and a really bad headache (that never happens when i get sick)... also had a very bad sore throat... Tuesday, better, but still somewhat lightheaded and headache still there... Weds, better yet but could stil feel the ghost of the headache...throat getting better... today..sore throat gone, no headache, but coughing, itchy throat...

Your best bet is to get the swine flu and beat it...you'll be vaccinated for life..if not, you'll be fertilizer.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Quinny » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 18:08:51

The headline figures here in the UK say that Britains Chief Medical adviser is saying deaths in Britain could reach 35,000 this year with 350 people / day dieing at it's peak.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 18 Jul 2009, 15:07:55

Local update.. two young men have died from swine flu in the past week in my town in Florida.. one was 22, the other 31 I think. The paper said neither had any underlying medical conditions at all, they were both healthy before contracting the flu. The didn't know each other, but were from the same part of town, which I found interesting (sounds like a pocket of infection).

Flu season starts up in what, a month from now? 8O
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Do you know someone who has the Swine Flu?

Postby Caffeine » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 12:14:57

Just wondering. I've read about it in the news, but I don't personally know anyone who has it.
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Re: THE Swine Flu Thread (merged)

Postby Quinny » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 12:22:35

My nephew and niece have it (5 and 3 years old), they seem to be getting better OK, but still have a really bad cough.
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