[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')he future of culture on Earth is a return to Monarchical rule, hopefully restrained by Constitutional limits and a rational populace. Pretending that the Republic or any other form of Democracy has long term stability is to ignore the reality of Human culture patterns. Very few people for very few centuries out of all of history have lived under anything but Monarchical government. Communism was intended to be the antithesis of Mercantilism/Capitalism but the ultimate Synthesis is just to return to our roots, the Monarchy in the middle.

Have no doubt the Elites in both camps have looked to their own family's future prospects, all they are waiting for is the inevitable collapse of the West which will reset both ends of the spectrum.

Interestingly enough lately I have been coming across references to the heritage of Vladimir Putin, there are now claims popping up that not only is he descended from relatives of the late Czar's family, he even physically resembles a branch of the Royal Family that was last known to live in the city his grandparents came from.

Every election cycle someone or other comes up with the Royal ancestry of the Presidential and VP candidates for the USA, for example Richard Cheney and Barack Obama have some common Noble ancestors. In the past these claims have been poo pooed by the elected officials in question, but it is not a large step for them to embrace those heritage's when the time is right.

What is more the British Royal Heir, Prince of Wales HRH Charles is very much a part of the Green movement in the UK, and both of his sons are peripherally involved as well.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'L')ets hear from an expert on the subject.........................

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.”

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')What is more the British Royal Heir, Prince of Wales HRH Charles is very much a part of the Green movement in the UK, and both of his sons are peripherally involved as well.

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')e do not believe that capitalism is sustainable, redeemable in green clothes or capable of being sustained in racial nirvanas. The ball therefore lies in your court to convince us otherwise.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')he future of culture on Earth is a return to Monarchical rule, hopefully restrained by Constitutional limits and a rational populace. Pretending that the Republic or any other form of Democracy has long term stability is to ignore the reality of Human culture patterns. Very few people for very few centuries out of all of history have lived under anything but Monarchical government. Communism was intended to be the antithesis of Mercantilism/Capitalism but the ultimate Synthesis is just to return to our roots, the Monarchy in the middle.

Have no doubt the Elites in both camps have looked to their own family's future prospects, all they are waiting for is the inevitable collapse of the West which will reset both ends of the spectrum.

Interestingly enough lately I have been coming across references to the heritage of Vladimir Putin, there are now claims popping up that not only is he descended from relatives of the late Czar's family, he even physically resembles a branch of the Royal Family that was last known to live in the city his grandparents came from.

Every election cycle someone or other comes up with the Royal ancestry of the Presidential and VP candidates for the USA, for example Richard Cheney and Barack Obama have some common Noble ancestors. In the past these claims have been poo pooed by the elected officials in question, but it is not a large step for them to embrace those heritage's when the time is right.

What is more the British Royal Heir, Prince of Wales HRH Charles is very much a part of the Green movement in the UK, and both of his sons are peripherally involved as well.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'W')hat is more the British Royal Heir, Prince of Wales HRH Charles is very much a part of the Green movement in the UK, and both of his sons are peripherally involved as well.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'P')lanty - Have you ever read Das Kapital?

You'll struggle to find a more scientific analysis of economic behaviour anywhere.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'P')lanty - Have you ever read Das Kapital? You'll struggle to find a more scientific analysis of economic behaviour anywhere.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'P')resumably capitals tendency to accumulate is of the same order as Eve being seduced by the serpent

[americandream]

Bible
"“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.” Jeremiah 6:16"

Marx
"John Stuart Mill says in his “Principles of Political Economy":

“It is questionable if all the mechanical inventions yet made have lightened the day’s toil of any human being.” [1]

That is, however, by no means the aim of the capitalistic application of machinery. Like every other increase in the productiveness of labour, machinery is intended to cheapen commodities, and, by shortening that portion of the working-day, in which the labourer works for himself, to lengthen the other portion that he gives, without an equivalent, to the capitalist. In short, it is a means for producing surplus-value."

[americandream]

I place no blind faith in anything. But like any rational human being, I am open to logic and reason.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'H')omo Sapien's have always been highly social animals, the illusion of individualism has been afforded by cheap energy, and abundant resources. It's more "contribute what you can - get what you need", as it has been for human communities up until the modern era.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'O')h yeah? So how these communities played popular in the early days games " who's getting who's Obscenity deleted and for how long" and "who dies first in the winter", could you elaborate please.

[Quinny]

AD I think Pretorian must be a freemason, don't they wear a black hood ( he also has an obsession with kinky sex).

[TheDude]

My impression - correct me if I'm off the mark - was "black 'hood," i.e., race baiting.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'a')nother commie hypocrite on board. Queeny, did you ever even planned to move to a socialist country or at least a black hood in England?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '
')Plantagenet threw out a puzzler - what does the band Devo have to do with Marxism? Their message, if they had one, was that humanity was headed on an evolutionary downslope that would eventually culminate in Wells's Eloi vs. Morlocks - throw in some danceable grooves.

[Quinny]

Which part did you read, because although you might not agree with the theory, most of the thinking & analysis seemed quite rigorous to me.

I've dusted mine off, and started to skim through it an I'm amazed at the how deep his analysis of working class conditions is. I'd also missed/incorrectly recalled some of his analysis into things like for instance changes in diet due to industrialisation, and amount of land used in various agricultural processes.

He goes down to the level of measuring nutrition in various occupations by grains/ounces of carbon and nitrogen and mineral matter.

There is also great detail of agricultural land in various parts of the country.

I hadn't recalled such vigorous treatment of resources, maybe I skipped some of Volume 1.

I still don't think he identified the impact of oil and it's sudden decline and how that will effect the transititon to communism.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'P')lanty - Have you ever read Das Kapital?

You'll struggle to find a more scientific analysis of economic behaviour anywhere.

[Plantagenet]

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')hich part did you read.... most of the thinking & analysis seemed quite rigorous to me.

I've dusted mine off, and started to skim through it an I'm amazed at the how deep his analysis of working class conditions is. I'd also missed/incorrectly recalled some of his analysis into things like for instance changes in diet due to industrialisation, and amount of land used in various agricultural processes.

He goes down to the level of measuring nutrition in various occupations by grains/ounces of carbon and nitrogen and mineral matter.

There is also great detail of agricultural land in various parts of the country.

I hadn't recalled such vigorous treatment of resources, maybe I skipped some of Volume 1.

I still don't think he identified the impact of oil and it's sudden decline and how that will effect the transititon to communism.

[DrBang]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'N')either capitalism nor communism are sustainable in the future. Choosing between them is a false choice, like choosing between Rep or Dem.

There are plenty of places in Communist China that are worse than superfund sites. Ditto for Russia recovering from Soviet era...