[dorlomin]

This brilliant article appeared on TOD and I really wanted to stick it here to ensure it got a good audiance.

Ive seen Mos use a graphic from it already and Im sure many here have already read it but its one of the best pieces Ive seen on the psychology of why we are headed for a brick wall at the pace we are going.


http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5519#more

[vision-master]

More of Charles Darwin’s 'myth' of evolution.

That's so 20th century.

[mos6507]

Yeah, that's right v-m. I forgot that overconsumption was a genetic accident left by the nephilim.

[vision-master]

Keep the 'faith'.

To bad you believe in the biggest fraud of the 20th century.

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

Good day from Pheba:
I disagree. I do not believe we are inherently selfish or flawed. Our cultural message is flawed. There are cultures around the world, most of them primitive that are not selfish. these cultures do not over-consume.
Our cultural message is not only flawed, our cultural message is fatal.
There is a film: "The Century of the Self". I recommend it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3825999151.
There is also a book:
"The Rise of Selfishness". I forget the author's name.
Then watch the films: What A Way To go: Life at the End of Empire, and "The Corporation".
My apologies to the top 3 organized religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but all 3 religions support the belief that we are inherently flawed. As long as we believe and accept we are flawed, we will not attempt to learn that there is another way to live. As long as the voice of our culture screams at us that we suck, we will never try to achieve any better way to live and perceive ourselves.
Science is no better. Science is in it's own way, a form of religion. Adherents of science believe that if we learn enough we can rise above our flawed nature.
Nothing could be further from the truth. It seems to me that the more science we have, the more flawed we become.
We are so busy learning we have forgot what were born knowing, which is how to live.
Pheba

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhebaAndThePilgrim', '
')Our cultural message is flawed.

[VMarcHart]

Wouldn't all or most of all species, if without a predator and with sufficient resources, consume and breed until all resources are gone?

If yes or maybe, then I don't think humans or Homo sapiens is "the" flawed species. However, if yes, it's pathetic a species with our talent is consuming itself to death. I'd understand if it was reindeer on an island, or bacteria in a petri dish, but us?

If no, then I'm wrong.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'W')ouldn't all or most of all species, if without a predator and with sufficient resources, consume and breed until all resources are gone?

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')hat is the nature of biology on this planet.
I don't understand this strange desire to set ourselves apart and unique in some special way.

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

Good day from Pheba:
Respectfully Mos, I disagree. Our problem is that we perceive "our species" as industrialized man. There are primitive cultures around the world that do not have the problems we have. Until industrialization destroyed them, the Australian aborigines knew how to live. Until we came along the Inuit knew how to live.
The Inuit did not have a word in their language for tooth decay until they adopted an industrialized diet. They did not have a word for hate or for rape. They did have more than 120 words in their language to describe snow. We have become completely disconnected from our environment. That is why we are destroying it.
Did you ever see a film called: "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? There is more than one way to live. The message of industrial culture is not the only way to live.
Successful primitive cultures learned through trial and error which way to live was right for them.
We have forgotten what we were born knowing and it has made us all insane.
Pheba.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhebaAndThePilgrim', 'G')ood day from Pheba:
Respectfully Mos, I disagree. Our problem is that we perceive "our species" as industrialized man. There are primitive cultures around the world that do not have the problems we have. Until industrialization destroyed them, the Australian aborigines knew how to live. Until we came along the Inuit knew how to live.
The Inuit did not have a word in their language for tooth decay until they adopted an industrialized diet. They did not have a word for hate or for rape. They did have more than 120 words in their language to describe snow. We have become completely disconnected from our environment. That is why we are destroying it.
Did you ever see a film called: "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? There is more than one way to live. The message of industrial culture is not the only way to live.
Successful primitive cultures learned through trial and error which way to live was right for them.
We have forgotten what we were born knowing and it has made us all insane.
Pheba.

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhebaAndThePilgrim', 'G')ood day from Pheba:
Respectfully Mos, I disagree. Our problem is that we perceive "our species" as industrialized man. There are primitive cultures around the world that do not have the problems we have. Until industrialization destroyed them, the Australian aborigines knew how to live. Until we came along the Inuit knew how to live.
The Inuit did not have a word in their language for tooth decay until they adopted an industrialized diet. They did not have a word for hate or for rape. They did have more than 120 words in their language to describe snow. We have become completely disconnected from our environment. That is why we are destroying it.
Did you ever see a film called: "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? There is more than one way to live. The message of industrial culture is not the only way to live.
Successful primitive cultures learned through trial and error which way to live was right for them.
We have forgotten what we were born knowing and it has made us all insane.
Pheba.

[Kristen]

It pretty much depends on how you define evolution. I think the idea of ownership is a cause, as well as a rise in individualism and the loss of center in a community. A core set of ideals to bring people together. A lot has gotten us here.

Also just to toss it out there, perhaps the difference we have over other species is to contemplate life after death and use language and symbols to transcribe our thoughts.