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THE "What If ..." Thread (merged)

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Unread postby k_semler » Fri 22 Apr 2005, 18:38:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '[')b]Tyler JC$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't bother asking, "why am I here?"


however you then respond ...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The only moral conundrum with my philosophy is that if I don’t particularly care why I exist or what my purpose is, I could go on a murderous rampage without worrying about the consequences after death. If everyone adopted Nihilism, I’d head for the hills.


This is exactly my point ... my purpose, would also be yours. We would all be on the same page.

How well would a company operate without a common purpose?
How well would a family operate without a common purpose?
How well would an individual operate, if he was not fulfilling his purpose?

Our purpose, our 'mission statement' should be agreed upon.

Can you challenge this logic.

Otherwise we are divided. i.e. materialist believes in the conversion of matter vs. conservationist who believes in generating energy through spirituality.
Cosmogony would suggest it is only an extension of the 'battle' of matter to energy conversion happening at the sub-atomic level.

That is the duality that is at the core of ALL disputes.

'Purpose' is easily manipulated for selfish gain.

There is only one question, that could possibly unite us.

Namaste


From a biological standpoint, the only purpose to your existance is to create more humans. That is why men have a penis, and women a vagina. Biologically speaking, procreation is your only purpose. Also, from a bioligical standpoint, if you choose, (or are unable), to not have children, then there is no purpose to your existance, and you might as well commit suicide. From a biological standpoint, I am a waste of precious DNA because I have no offspring, and I do not intend to.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 22 Apr 2005, 22:03:34

Is there a higher power?
Barring that, I'd want a fullunderstanding of the techniques and history of all martial arts form.
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Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 00:01:22

I love Rapheals posts. They always have a certain 'whole' understanding of the world in the strangest new-age reasoning. Alot of times, I find that I have a similar point of view - although, I find his use of words hilarious. But, that's probably just me.
If I encountered Rapheals post about 6 months ago, I would have totally thought everything he said was complete bullshit (now, I think its only half-bullshit :) ).
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 12:45:26

Wisdom is fleeting. It comes and goes at its own behest. We can honor it but not often possess it. Intellect can be used well as has been shown in the past few centuries. Now we know the World is made not of Earth, Air, Fire, Water but of atoms in a dance with energy. And intellect we possess. It's use brought power and knowledge. ergo: SCIENCE = GOD. Wisdom is elusive, unreliable, hence SOPHIA = WISDOM = LUCIFER. ENERGY is the ANTITHESIS. The opposite polarity from GOD, it is THE OTHER. The Stuff of the Cosmos; possessing no intelligence IT IS.
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Unread postby katkinkate » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 20:53:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '.')..From a biological standpoint, the only purpose to your existance is to create more humans. That is why men have a penis, and women a vagina. Biologically speaking, procreation is your only purpose. Also, from a bioligical standpoint, if you choose, (or are unable), to not have children, then there is no purpose to your existance, and you might as well commit suicide. From a biological standpoint, I am a waste of precious DNA because I have no offspring, and I do not intend to.


Among co-operative breeding species, few individuals get the opportunity to breed and the non-breeding ones' 'purpose' is to assist, protect the breeders. You could take that as your purpose. (eg. ants, bees, lions, hyenas, cape hunting dogs, wolves, humans) A non-breeding human still is part of and is supporting the greater society that allows the breeders to produce children in greater safety and prosperity.
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Unread postby k_semler » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 22:36:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '.')..From a biological standpoint, the only purpose to your existance is to create more humans. That is why men have a penis, and women a vagina. Biologically speaking, procreation is your only purpose. Also, from a bioligical standpoint, if you choose, (or are unable), to not have children, then there is no purpose to your existance, and you might as well commit suicide. From a biological standpoint, I am a waste of precious DNA because I have no offspring, and I do not intend to.


Among co-operative breeding species, few individuals get the opportunity to breed and the non-breeding ones' 'purpose' is to assist, protect the breeders. You could take that as your purpose. (eg. ants, bees, lions, hyenas, cape hunting dogs, wolves, humans) A non-breeding human still is part of and is supporting the greater society that allows the breeders to produce children in greater safety and prosperity.


Well, if it not my offspring, what use do I have for the protection of them? It would only place myself in danger, and I would have no benifit to do such a thing. Such an effort would not only endanger my life, but it would serve no purpose other than the continued survival of our species. However, since mankind has already dominated the planet, and we are in overshoot anyhow, what is the point in doing it?
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Re: If one could know anything

Unread postby ohanian » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 09:14:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'D')r. Faustus made his deal with the Devil so that he could have knowledge of things hidden from humans. In his book,'Natural and Unnatural Magic' (if that's how you translate it) he was supposed to have offered ways to get out of the deal. Martin Luther was one who took it seriously. What sort of questions would you wish to know the answers to? Here are some that I would like to know: what happens after death? what are the major developements of human history in the far future? Are there intelligences in the Universe that far surpass ours and what kind of beings are they and what do they know? Just how are we going to deal with the depletion of fossil fuels? Naturally, some practical things come to mind: whatever knowledge would be effective in making me rich, etc.


what happens after death? Nothing.

what are the major developements of human history in the far future? We do not know and we cannot know.

Are there intelligences in the Universe that far surpass ours? Most likely. The universe is a big place.

what kind of beings are they and what do they know? We dont know and we dont know.

Just how are we going to deal with the depletion of fossil fuels? Badly and with a change in lifestyle.

whatever knowledge would be effective in making me rich? Knowing tomorrow's lotto number today.
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Unread postby ohanian » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 09:18:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GD', '[')url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything]42[/url]
:lol:

What I would like to know:
How come the sheeple not only put up with, but actively support a system that subjugates them?
:roll:
Knowing the answer to that could be the start of changing things for the better.
:!:


How come the sheeple not only put up with, but actively support a system that subjugates them? Because the sheep believes that any radical change to the current system will result in uncontrollable chaos which will make their life more miserable and push society to a point which society may not be able to recover back to the current state.
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Unread postby ohanian » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 09:20:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')hat I should teach my grandchildren.


Before I answer your question, can you tell me how many children you have at the moment?
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Unread postby ohanian » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 09:23:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'T')here is only one question that I believe needs to be asked, and all else will thus reveal itself ...

why are we here, our purpose please?

Namaste


Why are we here? Because your father screw your mother.

Our purpose please. To consume resources and change your environment (if possible) to your liking.
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Unread postby ohanian » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 09:26:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I')s there a higher power?
Barring that, I'd want a fullunderstanding of the techniques and history of all martial arts form.


Is there a higher power? Unlikely.
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Unread postby ohanian » Tue 26 Apr 2005, 03:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '[')b]ohanian wrote in reponse to my question posed to the Devil

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy are we here? Because your father screw your mother.

Our purpose please. To consume resources and change your environment (if possible) to your liking.


You are potentially wrong on the first response Satan / ohanian.

It could have been anybody's father, could have been a sperm donor. I would have no 'father'.
We are more connected to our mothers because we can be concieved outside the body however we must return to the womb for at least about the first 20 weeks.

And on the second response you are absolutly correct, but deceitful, you Devil.

Satan / ohanian is actually selling the mantra 'consume' which actully breaks down into the words 'cons' 'u' 'me'.
So you see folks, right out of Satan's / ohanian's mouth, The Devil is trying to con you and me into changing our environment.

Sorry deal is off ohanian you Devil, you can't have my soul. You've lied to me, about who my Father truly is, you promised me knowledge, however you only deliver trickery.

Namaste

Energy = God




Proof that I'm not the only person who thinks that you are insane. Or is Falconoffury a satan too?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'R')aphael, your posts are full of posturing without proof. I suggest you get away from imagination and belief, and try the scientific method. Find ways to validate your ideas, and maybe people won't think you are insane. If you can't validate your ideas, stick with things that can be demonstrated.

Look at what you wrote here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are the center of the Universe. Where the macrocosm and microcosm meet. Man is a conduit between the two realms. That is why the Church tries to control man's behaviours.


Aside from the fact that I don't know the meaning of a few of those words, this sentence means nothing without evidence. Start focusing on how these ideas can be demonstrated in the real world. Not only will it make you look better, but it might let us figure out what the hell you are talking about.
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You are elected *World Emperor* !

Unread postby Barbara » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 13:25:24

So you're elected World Emperor. Compliments!
Being a peakoiler, you decide your main responsibility is to help the world to face oil depletion in the smoothest way.
What's your FIRST decision?

(Mine: outlaw all cars. Allow anything else to go on running on oil: trucks, public buses, trains, electicity, fertilizers, whatever but cars. It will leave us with many more years of oil and time to adjust.
Don't like it? Well, after all I'm World Emperor so do it or die! :lol: )
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 14:12:28

Worldwide population control, a retroactive one child policy: Every person who has had a child will be permanently sterilized, no exceptions. For every person who already has more than one child (even if already adult), all offspring except the oldest will be sterilized. So for a wealthy couple who have three adult children aged 25, 23, and 21 - the adults aged 23 and 21 will be sterilized.

This is not a eugenics program, just a program to reduce overshoot, which addresses problems besides peak oil. The endless growth Ponzi scheme is over.

For people resisting this program, the death penalty, by order of the emperor. Special penalties reserved for cornucopian economists and religious figures advocating population growth..
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Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 14:44:39

What MicroHydro said.
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Unread postby sklump » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 15:00:28

Retool the money supply of Western nations. Get rid of Fractional Reserve Banking. This monster does not have a Reverse gear: any efficiency in fuel, multiplies ten-fold in further consumption by somebody else: more, efficient consumption rather than more efficient consumption.

Mandate public ownership of the money supply, to grow or shrink based on the amount of energy coming into the system.
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Unread postby Aaron » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 15:01:10

I issue a high-powered firearm to everyone on the planet, then retreat to my moon base for a few years.

I return to lead the smart, strong & responsible survivors into a new golden age.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 15:19:47

Learn to play the fiddle?
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Unread postby Nike62 » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 15:46:24

Too complicated for me, at the moment, to make a precise list of things to do, but I strongly believe that a "must" should be to escape from capitalism.
I absolutely cannot understand in which way a capitalistic economy could be compliant with the strong social planning required by the PO event.
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 16:02:01

Have everyone line up.

Then I'd pick 1 in 10 people to live.

My choices would be based solely on looks and what they can offer me in the future. :)
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