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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby SoothSayer » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 03:30:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')So what is their general consensus?

They are all generally very matter-of-fact about it.
"Yes, Peak Oil is coming. It's simply a fact of life."

None were especially Doomer - although one told me that he had INSISTED his children & their children do NOT work in energy intensive industries. He said it had been a VERY difficult task but he had succeeded. He said that he had made no other preparations.

As for the date: the most senior person I spoke to was a major investor in Alberta. After he made sure that I wasn't a journalist he told me: "My people say the peak was in 2008."

In fact the precise numbers don't count: more important is their general acceptance of a near peak.

Most impressive (or scary?) was their general calm acceptance of what's coming. One engineer said something like: "Very difficult times lie ahead - but God will provide."

It seems that the only people panicking about PO are outside the oil industries!
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 04:35:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '9')9.9% of po members have never worked in the oil industry


i have worked both in the oil industry and for the automotive industry. I've also worked for an energy regulatory body and a government advocate body (public guardian and trustee).

I like that we do talk about a wide range of things as you can't take one narrow event and not see how the wider effects will or won't have an effect. This is a very far reaching situation with many and varied effects.

It also doesn't help that some people tend to gang up on those who do have something to say and hound them away. there is a cliquey tendency here and has been for a while. With that happening there is little you can do to change it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't worry. She put me on ignore at my suggestion. That should solve things for her once and for all.


I doubt it, she has "moments" where she seems really fragile. You probably got in the way or spoke up at the wrong moment... hopefully she will be ok in a while.
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 09:17:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'W')hy is po.com turning into a bunch of junk? This proves po members are fair-weather fans.

"Proves" it?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'N')o wonder nobody takes us serious. I can't even take us seriously .

I would like to see your proof that *nobody* takes us seriously. As for you not taking us seriously, that is, as the old saying goes, "Neither here or there."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '9')9% of the posts are worthless rants about nothing related directly to peak oil

While I agree there are threads that are a complete waste of bandwidth, again, please show your proof for this statement. Take this thread for instance: Instead of updating an old topic, or finding new peak-oil-related information, you chose to whine complain about the actions of others.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'T')he current survey is titled "Little Green Men"

Can't comment on this; I don't write the polls. I assumed it was an interjection of humor.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '9')9.9% of po members have never worked in the oil industry

It is not necessary to have worked in the oil industry to be concerned and wish to discuss the Peak Oil situation.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'O')F2 actually provides solid data to make his points but most discredit him even though they don't have any evidence to prove him wrong.
Then, either back him up with additional information, or stop reading those threads.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'I')s this site just a place for middle aged men to fantasize about doom and gloom because they are jealous of those around them who are actually doing something with their lives instead of sitting behind a computer and hoping for total destruction?
Moderator Hat OFF:No, and you would know that if you actually paid attention to what was and was not being said in the threads.
Moderator Hat ON: Thank you for your concern. :)
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 09:19:33

Seems like an awful lot of soul-searching going on in this forum lately.
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 09:52:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'S')eems like an awful lot of soul-searching going on in this forum lately.

It comes and goes in cycles (I spend a lot of time in the PO "stacks"), and depends a lot on what is happening in the RW.
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby Maddog78 » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 18:13:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '
')It seems that the only people panicking about PO are outside the oil industries!


That's cause they know they will be in demand and make some very good money on the down side of the production curve. :)
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby JPL » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 18:55:28

Yes but 'Peak Oil' was never just going to be about Peak Oil. Sorry, but that's kind-of obvious. What happens as we go down the HC [Hubbard Curve] isn't going to be just a geological issue either - there are other things to think about. In fact I can think of about a half-dozen right off the top of my head.

Dunnow if that helps...

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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 19:01:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')What happens as we go down the HC [Hubbard Curve] isn't going to be just a geological issue either - there are other things to think about. In fact I can think of about a half-dozen right off the top of my head.


Well, Biden's hair plugs and Nibiru ain't gonna be on the list.
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 03 Jun 2009, 19:38:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'Y')es but 'Peak Oil' was never just going to be about Peak Oil. Sorry, but that's kind-of obvious. What happens as we go down the HC [Hubbard Curve] isn't going to be just a geological issue either - there are other things to think about. In fact I can think of about a half-dozen right off the top of my head.

Dunnow if that helps...

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No....thats an important point.

Peak Oil will manifest itself as an ECONOMIC crisis (much like the one we are in). Our political leaders will either recognize the peak oil crisis and act accordingly, or they will ignorantly waste precious time and treasure trying to prop up the old obsolescent car industry and the no-longer supportable suburban American lifestyle (much like our ignorant political leaders are doing now). :)
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 04 Jun 2009, 08:09:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Our political leaders will either recognize the peak oil crisis and act accordingly, or they will ignorantly waste precious time and treasure trying to prop up the old obsolescent car industry and the no-longer supportable suburban American lifestyle (much like our ignorant political leaders are doing now). :)


Hmm. Politicians trying to prop up BAU. Where have I heard that before?

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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 04 Jun 2009, 16:07:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'H')mm. Politicians trying to prop up BAU. Where have I heard that before?
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I'm quite amused that Obama supporters are now try to justify Obama's actions by pointing out that Obama is doing the same things that Bush did ----or as Mos is saying here, Obama's efforts to prop up BAU are OK because they share some aspect of Palin's support for BAU.

Congrats, Mos, on tying yourself into an intellectual pretzel by supporting Obama's current effort to prevent "change" and ignore Peak Oil by propping up the obsolescent auto companies..... :roll:
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 04 Jun 2009, 16:50:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Obama's efforts to prop up BAU are OK because they share some aspect of Palin's support for BAU.


They share very little. Even McCain's Lexington project is a drop in the bucket compared to what already passed in the stimulus bill . Obama said we can't drill our way out of our problems, directly opposite of "Drill Baby Drill".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Obama's current effort to prevent "change" and ignore Peak Oil by propping up the obsolescent auto companies..... :roll:


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Small car for Orion plant

Multi-billion dollar grants for plugins and battery development

Need I go on?

I'm not necessarily a big fan of the auto bailouts, but to characterize Obama as trying to prop up the continuation of SUV culture is inaccurate.
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Re: Peak Oil Website

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 04 Jun 2009, 18:37:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')...as Mos is saying here, Obama's efforts to prop up BAU are OK because they share some aspect of Palin's support for BAU.


They share very little.


Dude----you were the one who brought up Palin's Drill baby Drill slogan to back up your support of Obama's efforts to prop up the auto companies and continue Business as Usual.

My point is that Obama is making a big mistake propping up obsolescent auto companies to save UAW jobs rather then providing leadership to help the US transition to a post-auto future. Obama is wasting precious time and money preserving the 20th century auto industry and ignoring the fact that oil is running out and we need 21st century solutions that don't revolve around the car.
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