$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '.')..
It's been a few years since I came across the statistic jd, and I honestly can't recall whether it was from an article or a book (I read a lot), but I remember it surprised me. And I'm pretty sure that it was post 2000.
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Poll shows sink or swim for grads
Re: Poll shows sink or swim for grads
by nobodypanic » Sat 30 May 2009, 17:34:05
I'm hesitant to outright agree with the statistics you mentioned TWilliam.....but I think you're onto something really big here.
The education bureaucrats have done a fantastic job of indoctrinating society.
How many times have we been told a college graduate will make a $1million more throughout their lifetime?
What's the old saying? --> The devil is in the details.
Here's some nagging questions.
Who will make more money throughout their life?
1a) a person who went to a 2year trade school to learn auto-mechanics
1b) a person who went to a 4yr college and got a degree in Liberal arts
2a) a person who learned air conditioning repair
2b) a person with a degree in music
3a) a plumber
3b) a college graduate of art history
My gut tells me the statistics are sexed up. They must be comparing college graduates with people who have absolutely NO education beyond high school (not even trade school).
The funny thing is I don't see too many statistics out there comparing college graduates with people who went to trade schools. funny huh.
well see here's the thing... in one case (trade school) you're simply being trained to do a job; while in the other case, you're getting an education and are, in general, far more well-rounded.
as an old professor i once had opined, one's a trained monkey while the other is a complete person. now i think he was being rather extreme, but you get the drift.
on the other hand, i do think higher education in apple pie land has become a damned ripoff. your point does have some merit.
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Re: Poll shows sink or swim for grads
by FairMaiden » Sun 31 May 2009, 16:22:17
Plumbers don't make $40,000 a year - I don't know what numbers you are looking at but its BS.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job ... ber/Salary
Here in Canada, I see normal everyday plumbers (ie, not working on specialities or surpervising other workers) making $50-60K per year. Thats not including side jobs.
I don't have a degree. The only reason I would need one would be bc some education-snobs think its necessary to do some jobs. I would disagree that to be a good salesperson you need a BA. Its gotten a little ridiculous. But bc you have so many applicants with BAs applying for these jobs, then you require it. I had a boss who had 2 Phds (and why she was doing this crappy job one only knows!) who hired a greenback out of college for my wage. When I complained, she told me he had a degree and I didn't. I increased revenues by 3-fold in the last 5 years. I quit within 6 months. That organization is now going UNDER. With business decisions like that, I don't wonder why.
Having written that, I will complete a BCom degree next year. I've reached my max at $50K w/o any degree or diploma. It is a waste of money on the one hand bc I'm self taught and capable of learning anything. But I have my eye on a promotion that will pay me $25k/year more for the next 30 yrs until retirement.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job ... ber/Salary
Here in Canada, I see normal everyday plumbers (ie, not working on specialities or surpervising other workers) making $50-60K per year. Thats not including side jobs.
I don't have a degree. The only reason I would need one would be bc some education-snobs think its necessary to do some jobs. I would disagree that to be a good salesperson you need a BA. Its gotten a little ridiculous. But bc you have so many applicants with BAs applying for these jobs, then you require it. I had a boss who had 2 Phds (and why she was doing this crappy job one only knows!) who hired a greenback out of college for my wage. When I complained, she told me he had a degree and I didn't. I increased revenues by 3-fold in the last 5 years. I quit within 6 months. That organization is now going UNDER. With business decisions like that, I don't wonder why.
Having written that, I will complete a BCom degree next year. I've reached my max at $50K w/o any degree or diploma. It is a waste of money on the one hand bc I'm self taught and capable of learning anything. But I have my eye on a promotion that will pay me $25k/year more for the next 30 yrs until retirement.
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Re: Poll shows sink or swim for grads
by 3aidlillahi » Sun 31 May 2009, 18:24:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lumbers don't make $40,000 a year - I don't know what numbers you are looking at but its BS.
You're kind of nitpicking there. It doesn't make that much of a difference to the argument.
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Re: Poll shows sink or swim for grads
by vision-master » Sun 31 May 2009, 18:45:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lumbers don't make $40,000 a year - I don't know what numbers you are looking at but its BS.
You're kind of nitpicking there. It doesn't make that much of a difference to the argument.
You still are thinking college is the way to go?
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