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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby robski » Sun 11 Jun 2006, 23:02:05

I want to see the peak arrive earlier so that we can start dealing with it, rather than having to tolerate these bullshite smoke and mirror proposals being put forward as sufficient energy allternatives. I do hold an element of the "I told you so" attitude also; I've managed to install zero amount of concern or interest into any individual I know after 6 moths of trying to get the peak oil picture across. My efforts have seen me ostracized by more and more people, and I'm tired of being made out by this culture to be an anomoly for taking peak-oil seriously.

It's beginning to feel more and more as if I am awaiting the arrival of an old friend.

Bring on the peak.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby Luckystars » Fri 16 Jun 2006, 03:41:48

Not rooting for it, but it is the best for the planet. And it doesn't matter what we root for, it will happen. Humans were caretakers of this planet and she could not defend herself. It breaks my heart that those in power pursued this path.

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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 16 Jun 2006, 13:21:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chukar', 'O')f course not! The way I see it, peak oil means the return of diseases such as cholera and bubonic plague. I'm in a terrible situation. Hawaii is ridiculously overcrowded, dependent on massive good and energy imports and the problems only worsen every year. As much as I'd like to see a change of lifestyle, I value my health and security.


Maybe you should get a sailboat and be ready to risk the run north to Alaska. Its not the most difficult trip at the right time of year; and if you catch the timing wrong, you could always kill some time at sea while everyone else is shooting and bashing each other to claim 1000sq ft pieces of land to grow some food on.

You'll need to be able to make fresh water, and you'll probably want to learn how to operate an amatuer version of a longline. The more fish you can eat, the less peanut butter you'll have to eat. :-D

Oh, and no pretty boats, no big boats. John Letcher's Island Girl would be a good example of a tested design.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Fri 16 Jun 2006, 20:24:40

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Maybe you should get a sailboat and be ready to risk the run north to Alaska. Its not the most difficult trip at the right time of year; and if you catch the timing wrong, you could always kill some time at sea while everyone else is shooting and bashing each other to claim 1000sq ft pieces of land to grow some food on.

You'll need to be able to make fresh water, and you'll probably want to learn how to operate an amatuer version of a longline. The more fish you can eat, the less peanut butter you'll have to eat. :-D

Oh, and no pretty boats, no big boats. John Letcher's Island Girl would be a good example of a tested design.


Argg.... Until the Pirates Come to take your horde of PB. You know Polly just dont take kindly to those denying him his peanut butter crackers
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 16 Jun 2006, 21:47:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'S')eldom says it all! If you have a soul and have any human qualities left the party will be spectacular! True compassion and love. Freedom! Brutal for sure but once done a chance for renewal. I will teach all the children I know to cast off cornucopians like lepers. Hate the machine. Thats what I will do until death. its the only chance and hope healthy bright and vibrant children will ahve. They might not know it yet. teach them well!


Holmes, Seldom Seen, Magician you guys said it well. It's the old Situationist motto: "In a society which bans all real forms of adventure, the only adventure which remains is the destruction of the society."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'A')nyone who is rooting for peak oil is an asshole

That may be. I'd rather be an asshole living free than another nice, domesticated, brain-dead, American consumer.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby Chicken_Little » Fri 16 Jun 2006, 22:34:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roymund', 'S')eriously, how many people here are rooting for peak oil and are going to relish the supposed upcoming economic meltdown with a kind of "I told you so!" attitude?


Not quite. I'm rooting for peak because I simply don't like most people and want them to die.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby AAA » Mon 18 May 2009, 18:44:00

Great bump Shannymara!

I am rooting for the peak but want it to come in about 10+ years. That way I have time to get things in order.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby AAA » Mon 18 May 2009, 18:51:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')hanks, I thought it would be interesting to get some input from some of the newer folks. I have mixed feelings about it all, myself.


I have mixed feelings also. I am mainly rooting for the peak because deep down inside I have a yearning to tell everyone, "I told you so." Obviously that is a very selfish desire but I am sure I am not the only one feeling that way. I get tired of people laughing at me because I think the US could slide further than we did in the Great Depression.

There will be many good things come out of the peak but there will also be much suffering and dispair. Obviously the last thing I want is civilization to get caught unaware.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby Grautr » Mon 18 May 2009, 18:52:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roymund', 'S')eriously, how many people here are rooting for peak oil and are going to relish the supposed upcoming economic meltdown with a kind of "I told you so!" attitude?


Well the suposed economic meltdown has been going on for two years now so all those who posted yes can smile with glee.

I can see only one plus side to PO. If you believe it will lead to a die off then its better to have this over and done with as soon as possible. Each year it goes by and nothing happens then another 80 million people get added to the world population. Overshoot results in enviromental degredation and the more people around the worse that is.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 18 May 2009, 19:41:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', ' ')Obviously the last thing I want is civilization to get caught unaware.



How many decades of warning does "civilization" need to take notice?
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby AAA » Mon 18 May 2009, 19:54:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', ' ')Obviously the last thing I want is civilization to get caught unaware.



How many decades of warning does "civilization" need to take notice?


Apparently more than 5 decades because Hubbet has already warned them for 53 years.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 18 May 2009, 19:56:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')Apparently more than 5 decades because Hubbet has already warned them for 53 years.



Yep. About the same for global warming.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby Quinny » Tue 19 May 2009, 06:34:48

I'm still hoping someone will prove it's a figment of my imagination! :oops:
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 19 May 2009, 07:24:54

"I told you so" will seem a lot less satisfying when the people "you told you so" show up on your doorstep trying to steal your preps...
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 19 May 2009, 07:26:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('robski', 'I') want to see the peak arrive earlier so that we can start dealing with it, rather than having to tolerate these bullshite smoke and mirror proposals being put forward as sufficient energy allternatives. I do hold an element of the "I told you so" attitude also; I've managed to install zero amount of concern or interest into any individual I know after 6 moths of trying to get the peak oil picture across. My efforts have seen me ostracized by more and more people, and I'm tired of being made out by this culture to be an anomoly for taking peak-oil seriously.

It's beginning to feel more and more as if I am awaiting the arrival of an old friend.

Bring on the peak.


Yeesh... I can take a little smoke and mirrors... I for one need a little more time to prep... in my opinion, the more time the better.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 19 May 2009, 07:29:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'I') am not rooting for PO. For the same reason some root for it. I am worried that a post-PO will give states the excuse they need to complete this trip to an Orwellian future. Yet, I also agree that our Western lifestyle is just not sustainable. We see India and China trying to follow us down that path and its just not possible to sustain that level. So something has to give. We don't know what evil awaits us on the other side of PO...I prefer the beast I know...of course, nature/fate/destiny isn't asking me ;-)


Yeah what's with that. I used to think China was smart... why are they trying to emulate a train-wreck-in-progress?
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 19 May 2009, 07:37:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chukar', 'O')f course not! The way I see it, peak oil means the return of diseases such as cholera and bubonic plague. I'm in a terrible situation. Hawaii is ridiculously overcrowded, dependent on massive good and energy imports and the problems only worsen every year. As much as I'd like to see a change of lifestyle, I value my health and security.


Kauai might be a good bug out location for you being in Hawaii... as long as everyone else doesn't have the same idea...
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby AAA » Tue 19 May 2009, 11:19:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')Apparently more than 5 decades because Hubbet has already warned them for 53 years.



Yep. About the same for global warming.


I still don't believe in global warming. :oops:

There is way too much evidence that shows the earth warmed and cooled long before humans had any impact.
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Re: How many people here are rooting for peak oil?

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 19 May 2009, 11:29:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')Kauai might be a good bug out location for you being in Hawaii... as long as everyone else doesn't have the same idea...


MMM.... Maybe, not so much.
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