[Aaron]

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[Sixstrings]

Stonemason wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oomerism holds that each person goes out for himself.

[Caffeine]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think what most of us are looking for in MSM coverage like this is some sort of sign that doomer prepping is going mainstream

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
')Real Doomers know that living in the woods is only going to work for those who were born part squirrel!

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')When TSHTF, everyone will be panicking EXCEPT the Doomers -- and so people will look to the Doomers for leadership.

[Ludi]

Stonemason wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oomerism holds that each person goes out for himself.

[Ayoob]

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[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ']')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', '
')There is no proof that 7 Billion people cannot survive on the planet with advanced technology and education into the problems of overshooting the carrying capacity of the earth.

[efarmer]

The news sells controversy, fear, doubt, and sensation
and the general flavor of much of the peak oil banter I have
encountered is right up their alley. But they have another
dynamic as part of their sales pitch, winners and losers.
Hard to sell that Peakoilers are the winners and their
uninformed audience has discovered another way they
can lose big.

Remember the CNBC guy who pitched the traders on
if they wished to back losers on home mortgages that
preceded the Tea Party initiative? Implied is that a
savvy trader is a winner and the identified losers are
those who have to suffer to make a savvy trader successful.
I.E. it is the short and sweet news cycle summation of a
zero sum calculation.

I think they get the Peakoil fear product as salable goods
IF the pricing of oil is such that their buyer has the
receptivity to buy it, but that is not there right now.

I am very opinionated about lifestyles and energy usage
being out of balance with sustainable approaches to living.
But the hard core doomer thing is lost on me, it is lost because
it is an apocalypse or Swiss Family Robinson scenario that
does not offer a large scale solution to the serious problems.
It is like Dr. Strangelove putting the right resources and mix
of men and breeding females into an underground bunker to
wait out the return to some future large scale living condition.
It is however an easy sell to a horny guy facing nuclear
annihilation, but not a generally appealing product.

The more natural evolution I see within the site is more healthy
in my opinion.

1. Crash course study on resource limits and present
recognition or planning concerning mitigation in society
at large.

2. Angst, fear, depression, disbelief, I.E. grief reactions.

3. Contingency planning for personal independence or
mitigation, followed by lifestyle planning and consideration
for sustainable personal lifestyle as well as fostering
and advocating for community and hopefully larger
regional, national, and international efforts for sustainable
mitigation or even possibly solutions.

Identifying an epoch or culture ending issue and forming
into tight knit survivalist cliques is entirely indistinguishable
from end times cult activity to many observers and rightly
so. The last end times cult of course wins the end times
cult contest and this may be that, but I personally think not.

Selling unsustainable petroleum dependence and unsustainable
resource consumption awareness is going to be hard to do
if our main message is hoarding enough unsustainable
manufactured items and goodies in order to be the very
last people to die in an apocalypse and at the same time
beating each other over the head about who has the timing
and utter futility of doing anything written up correctly.

If you really believe that excess materialism and energy
squandering is a low quality life with a short relative duration
anyway, why do we expect media recognition from the declaration
of the premise and our natural but fatalistic initial reactions
rather than from developing a demonstrable alternative
that is appealing in it's place?

I do think we are just about out of the "scare the piss out of
you for blind allegiance and all your money", donors. But
then again, it is a great temporary scam that has worked
good when we really didn't have any leadership or planning
to count on.

You can make a personal fortune selling books as a prophet
of doom, or an expert on futility, but it is hard to make a career
out of doing so without having to catch a new doom wave
and look like an idiot for anyone who has any idea of your
time line. If you are right of course you become the wicker
man and are burnt to atone for your bad news delivery.

People forging ahead and creating saner and sustainable
culture and offering a viable alternative to what we have
is very big news. It has to work for more than tough bastards
who shoot straight and gnaw jerky while they defend their
nitro packed beans and rice are you might as well just
sit on the idea of generating real news other than being
a plug in fear or kook story to spice the news feed.

Pop's mantra: Plan your work and work your plan.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') think Doomerism is only a lone-wolf thing just because so many of us are minorities within our communities.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', '
')There is no proof that 7 Billion people cannot survive on the planet with advanced technology and education into the problems of overshooting the carrying capacity of the earth.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', '
')There is no proof that 7 Billion people cannot survive on the planet with advanced technology and education into the problems of overshooting the carrying capacity of the earth.

[phaster]

Went camping over the weekend with some other people I've met at various sierra club activities such as snow camping, cross country skiing, etc. so I'm just catching up with some of the news programs that were on my DVR.

One of news stories that caught my eye was a Nightline story on PeakOil/Economic Apocalypse last friday...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7579167&page=1

thought ya "doomers" might find the segment comforting because its a MSM story about the intersection of peak oil and the economy.

My own personal take is this economic crisis is an opportunity for a "teachable moment" because a balance sheet is a useful tool to determine if a system is sustainable, no matter if one is talking about an economic/banking system, an environmental system, an oil based economy, etc.

Armed with knowledge if a system is unsustainable its possible to prepare or even profit from the inevitable crash.

[mos6507]

I think the "economic" slant on the Nightline piece was kind of apples an oranges. This woman is not just worried about economic armageddon, but to those people who are obssessed with depression 2.0, framing things in that way makes it more accessible. That really bothered me. The fact is that most doomers put very little thought into economic theory leading up to the credit crisis, which is why they got blindsided by the credit crisis. People who are downscaling their life to get through great depression 2.0 may exhibit similar behaviors to doomers, but they aren't doomers. They think their sacrifices need only be temporary, and they still worship on the altar of growth.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')The fact is that most doomers put very little thought into economic theory leading up to the credit crisis, which is why they got blindsided by the credit crisis.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')The fact is that most doomers put very little thought into economic theory leading up to the credit crisis, which is why they got blindsided by the credit crisis.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')I don't understand that either. For example, I sold up, quit my job, moved to a foreign country and bought a doomstead cash. I was hardly blindsided by the credit crisis, as I managed to buy outright (which I wouldn't be able to do now, as the UK house prices have fallen too far).

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')I don't understand that either. For example, I sold up, quit my job, moved to a foreign country and bought a doomstead cash. I was hardly blindsided by the credit crisis, as I managed to buy outright (which I wouldn't be able to do now, as the UK house prices have fallen too far).

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ') But it makes things.... more complicated.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', '
')mos, we've had this discussion before, you've never provided any evidence to support your assertion that the housing bubble was an independent phenomenon