[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'T')oo proud to take handouts...I wish we had some of those down South in the states.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'W')e have no problem selling high end homes due to the wealth, growth, waterfront, tourism, vacation homes and four seasons recreation in The Saratoga - Lake George - Adirondack region. Plenty of local, downstate, out-of-state and out-of-country money flows into the region.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'W')e have no problem selling high end homes due to the wealth, growth, waterfront, tourism, vacation homes and four seasons recreation in The Saratoga - Lake George - Adirondack region. Plenty of local, downstate, out-of-state and out-of-country money flows into the region.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'T')he growth of the industrial parks, nanotech parks etc has attracted many developers, investors, builders and homebuyers that want a piece of the action.

Shortly after AMD announced plans bulid a new 4.2 billion dollar fab on Luther Forest Technology Campus, developers and investors went crazy.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'T')he growth of the industrial parks, nanotech parks etc has attracted many developers, investors, builders and homebuyers that want a piece of the action.

Shortly after AMD announced plans bulid a new 4.2 billion dollar fab on Luther Forest Technology Campus, developers and investors went crazy.

[smallpoxgirl]

Somehow I think this story wouldn't have played out the same most places in the US. Some health department jerk off would have bulldozed their shack "for their own good".

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'T')he growth of the industrial parks, nanotech parks etc has attracted many developers, investors, builders and homebuyers that want a piece of the action.

Shortly after AMD announced plans bulid a new 4.2 billion dollar fab on Luther Forest Technology Campus, developers and investors went crazy.

[threadbear]

Uhhh Mark? Reading your post I wondered where I'd heard the town name Binghamton before. I just remembered that's where the most recent mass shooting took place.

Please peruse, and then try to justify the argument you're making about the strong local economy there. What hooey.

Is our killer economy playing a role in these mass killings? You couldn't have picked a worse time to post your info. It has to be months if not years out of date.



Binghampton Killings Linked to the Economy?

"Some experts say most mass killings are precipitated by some kind of catastrophic loss, and when the economy hits rock bottom, there are simply more of these losses. Of course it's difficult to prove a direct correlation between such things, but studies show violent crimes do tend to rise during economic downturns.

For instance, a Florida study released last month found a link between economic tragedies, such as job loss and foreclosures, and domestic violence. And another study, conducted by the Violence Policy Center in Washington DC is underway to explore this issue on a broader scale.

On Saturday, Binghamton NY police said the killer was depressed and angry over losing his job."

http://blogs.post-trib.com/davich/2009/ ... using.html

[threadbear]

Upstate New York economy--more:

http://www.catskillsnews.com/News/2009/ ... Mar09.html

"Areas with little immigration and low growth or falling populations are likely to include Michigan, Ohio, the Dakotas, Iowa, western Pennsylvania and upstate New York, Mr. Frey says."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122764977315457619.html

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'U')pstate New York economy--more:

http://www.catskillsnews.com/News/2009/ ... Mar09.html

"Areas with little immigration and low growth or falling populations are likely to include Michigan, Ohio, the Dakotas, Iowa, western Pennsylvania and upstate New York, Mr. Frey says."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122764977315457619.html

[MarkJ]

Many Upstate New York counties have lost population, while others are steadily gaining population.





Population Growth or Loss for Counties in New York State 2000-2005

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')osing population is more the rule for counties in upstate New York than gaining is. Thus, increased population growth in the counties of the Hudson Valley--Tech Valley--especially around Albany, is not part of a larger trend of general population growth upstate but more likely an early indication of an economy coming alive. People go or stay where the jobs are, and leave where they are not.

[MarkJ]

Another issue with local growth is that some Upstate New York regions don't want growth to ruin their Suburban or Rural feel.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://albany.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2009/03/30/focus2.html?b=1238385600%5E1800949]Construction: After $4.2B development, a town ponders growth[/url]

Every day he goes to work, Paul Sausville gets a reminder of what he doesn’t want his town’s future to look like.

Sausville, 68, is the supervisor of Malta, a town less than 10 miles south of Saratoga Springs. A swath of land across the street from his office has been cleared to build a mixed-use complex with more than 300 luxury apartments.

“Is that Malta or Saratoga Springs?” Sausville asks, holding up a rendering of the complex’s four- and five-story buildings. “We don’t want to be Saratoga Springs, or Colonie, or Schenectady. At the end of the day, we just want to be Malta.”

GlobalFoundries Inc., a spinoff of Advanced Micro Devices, is finalizing its plans to build a $4.2 billion chip fab, not far from the supervisor’s offices. The impact of the fab will ripple throughout the Capital Region—and Malta, where the plant will be built, is the epicenter of that change. Yet town leaders remain divided over their visions for the town’s future.

Sausville wants to protect Malta’s suburban, almost rural character and scale back its zoning. Most of the town board wants to funnel development into a more traditional, urban downtown that doesn’t yet exist, preventing sprawl but allowing the town to expand. It’s a controversy that leads many to fear that the town is sending contradictory messages, deterring developers.

What’s clear is that the development pressures already weighing on Malta will escalate once construction starts on the GlobalFoundries plant this summer. The plant is expected to employ 1,400 workers when it opens in 2012.

Growth is inevitable in Malta, by any measure—from the town’s rising number of traffic circles (there are five now, with plans for eight more) to Saratoga County’s $133 million investment in water and sewer lines.

“Water infrastructure is a driver of development. If there’s demand, and suddenly you have a water line, you’re in,” said Rocky Ferraro, executive director of the Capital District Regional Planning Commission, which serves four area counties with regional data analyses and other planning services.

Another indicator of growth: Starting April 15, the town of Malta will officially exist in the eyes of the U.S. Postal Service. Previously, town residents and businesses had to address their mail with a nearby municipality, such as Mechanicville or Ballston Spa.

Now, it’s a question of how much growth the town will tolerate—and what that means for developers.

“There are a lot of folks holding on to their commercial projects. But once people see the bulldozers going, that signal will ricochet through the rest of town and beyond,” said Anthony Tozzi, Malta’s town planner.

Tozzi said town officials won’t relax once that begins.

“I don’t know that I’d term that ‘relief,’ because I’d also term it ‘panic.’ We got what we asked for—now what do we do?” he said. “Schenectady was a boomtown because of the industry and development brought on by [General Electric Co.]. I’m about to witness, essentially, this century’s version of GE—or at least that level of development.”

[threadbear]

MarkJ--Great news. Is it enough to offset this?

For upstate New York, unemployment is at a 25-year high, said Peter A. Neenan, director of the department’s Division of Research and Statistics.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ ... eaches-81/

Census Bureau statistics published in the last week of August show that New York State had a poverty rate of 14.3 percent of its population, higher than the national average (12.3 percent) and the highest of any state in the US outside of the South and Southwest. The next poorest state, according to a survey of two-year average poverty rates, is Alabama.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep20 ... -s18.shtml

[Auntie_Cipation]

Seems to me that MarkJ is either trollishly baiting us, or else he is naively oblivious.

Because he is talking about one of the wealthiest communities in the USA. So of course they are affected differently -- and on a somewhat delayed timeline -- than other places.

On the other hand, economic hard times are being felt there as well:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/01/14/3914607.htm
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stori ... allb2.html

It will affect the real estate market there eventually, just takes a bit longer in a place where most people aren't struggling financially at first.

And, hmm, where have I heard of Saratoga Springs... hmm... it's coming to me... oh yah, isn't that Kunstlerville?

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', 'S')eems to me that MarkJ is either trollishly baiting us, or else he is naively oblivious.

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'S')omehow I think this story wouldn't have played out the same most places in the US. Some health department jerk off would have bulldozed their shack "for their own good".

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'M')arkJ--Great news. Is it enough to offset this?

For upstate New York, unemployment is at a 25-year high, said Peter A. Neenan, director of the department’s Division of Research and Statistics.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', 'S')eems to me that MarkJ is either trollishly baiting us, or else he is naively oblivious.

Because he is talking about one of the wealthiest communities in the USA. So of course they are affected differently -- and on a somewhat delayed timeline -- than other places.

On the other hand, economic hard times are being felt there as well:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/01/14/3914607.htm
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stori ... allb2.html

It will affect the real estate market there eventually, just takes a bit longer in a place where most people aren't struggling financially at first.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')
I'm going to hazard the guess that MarkJ has been so long the beneficiary of the real estate bubble around the Sarasota Springs area, he actually believes its going to last forever. All his posts, which are quite detailed describe the world as he knows it, as he has experienced it. He doesn't seem to grasp hold of the fact that the Homeless being created TODAY aren't the same Crack Addict and Sex Offender homeless he likes to demonize.

[vision-master]

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" Matthew 19:23-24

"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall." Proverbs 18:11