[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')Hmmm a land of free men who solved their own problems and created a country not ruled by hereditary or "divine right" rulers.

Ran out of cheap domestic oil and started a sell off of assets and movement of manufacturing that to this day has continued resulting in an economy of paper traders instead of paper makers.

Gave over to social engineering after the 29 crash that solved no problems until the rulers decided to use warfare as a stimulus package.

That socialism and wealth redistribution so permeate the society that fraud and ab use are both public and private sector norms..

Tell me again about that recovery? What did we grow a house of cards spouting huge success stories about swapping phony papers back and forth while contracting the brick and mortar and labor to the slave master offering the lowest costs.?

Maybe you haven't noticed the lack of steel mills etc IN THIS COUNTRY.

Ah let me guess as global masters it isn't necessary for the USA to be strong by itself.. we can use those other people to defend us with their steel mills.

Thomas Jefferson would be so proud!
Samuel Adams too....

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')Hmmm a land of free men who solved their own problems and created a country not ruled by hereditary or "divine right" rulers.

Ran out of cheap domestic oil and started a sell off of assets and movement of manufacturing that to this day has continued resulting in an economy of paper traders instead of paper makers.

Gave over to social engineering after the 29 crash that solved no problems until the rulers decided to use warfare as a stimulus package.

That socialism and wealth redistribution so permeate the society that fraud and ab use are both public and private sector norms..

Tell me again about that recovery? What did we grow a house of cards spouting huge success stories about swapping phony papers back and forth while contracting the brick and mortar and labor to the slave master offering the lowest costs.?

Maybe you haven't noticed the lack of steel mills etc IN THIS COUNTRY.

Ah let me guess as global masters it isn't necessary for the USA to be strong by itself.. we can use those other people to defend us with their steel mills.

Thomas Jefferson would be so proud!
Samuel Adams too....

[the48thronin]

I got my money out before a 26 year old began trading at 16 years of age. in fact probably before he was potty trained...LOL

Back when BBSs did dial up relay and Misc.rural was the homesteader's hang out of choice ( you don't google before you gargle do you?)


Invest in life. Own land, plant trees, make homes for grandchildren etc.
Think defense, and community.


Once you realize your own life is valueless unless you devote a portion of it to others, contribute your excess.

If not maybe you will have a community of neighbors who have prepared or are willing to adapt and do believe in charity Good luck!

[Quinny]

Went to bank (HSBC) in my town yesterday after closing time tried cash machine - wouldn't give me any. Checked balance - plenty in. Tried again still no joy.

Tried Lloyds TSB - no joy, Abbey - no joy 2 security guards inside said try again in 10 minutes. Tried Nat West - no joy.

Went back in Pub apologised to lads as couldn't get round in - to much hilarity I might add.

Went back to Abbey and success at last

Was sweating for a few minutes!!

[the48thronin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')ent to bank (HSBC) in my town yesterday after closing time tried cash machine - wouldn't give me any. Checked balance - plenty in. Tried again still no joy.

Tried Lloyds TSB - no joy, Abbey - no joy 2 security guards inside said try again in 10 minutes. Tried Nat West - no joy.

Went back in Pub apologised to lads as couldn't get round in - to much hilarity I might add.

Went back to Abbey and success at last

Was sweating for a few minutes!!

[Newfie]

Back in 2000 I bought a 6.5kW diesel generator and a couple of 100 gallon water bladders. Didn't need them but that's OK. All together they cost me around $4,000. Still have them in the basement.

Since 2000 I have spent several thousand more than $4,000 on life insurance, home insurance, and car insurance. I have not collected a dime on any of that of which I am glad, especially the life insurance.

So isn't doing preps just another form of insurance? And, if you like gardening and dirty fingers, more rewarding than working in a cell? (I don't like to call them cubicals, call them cells, its more honest.)

This is an on-going argument I am having with my wife.

I can envision a time in the not too distant future where our "investments" would go to zero. But if we had bought some tangible assets then there would be some worth that we could hang onto.

There was a thread a while back about what would be the best alternative for money. Gold, silver, rice, ammo. As I recall it was never really resolved in any meaningful way. Most did not even have good suggestions. (I liked SILVER bullets as you could trade them AND kill zombies.)

Maybe this is a good place to reopen that question. I go down to the bank, cancel my 401K, drain my savings account, cash in my savings bonds and get, lets say $200,000. What do I do with it? Under the mattress? But if the currency collapses then I have accomplished nothing.

So what is a good tangible alternative to money? If I draw out my my cash where do I put it?

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')o what is a good tangible alternative to money? If I draw out my my cash where do I put it?

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')o what is a good tangible alternative to money? If I draw out my my cash where do I put it?

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')ent to bank (HSBC) in my town yesterday after closing time tried cash machine - wouldn't give me any. Checked balance - plenty in. Tried again still no joy.

Tried Lloyds TSB - no joy, Abbey - no joy 2 security guards inside said try again in 10 minutes. Tried Nat West - no joy.

Went back in Pub apologised to lads as couldn't get round in - to much hilarity I might add.

Went back to Abbey and success at last

Was sweating for a few minutes!!

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'O')opps some one's knocking on my door, Oh maybe its the Fed coming to collect my guns, should I answer my door or just start shooting... DUH..

[alokin]

Empty ABM machines are as old as ABM machines.
That does not bring us any further.
Most here think that the system will still last for some years.

I, financial dummy, cannot imagine that, with this amount of depth.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')Gave over to social engineering after the 29 crash that solved no problems until the rulers decided to use warfare as a stimulus package.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'O')opps some one's knocking on my door, Oh maybe its the Fed coming to collect my guns, should I answer my door or just start shooting... DUH..

[Quinny]

Becoming Unravelled. FFS

I was actually more concerned about not being able to stand my round, and as I said I did get the money. To not consider why, when it's never happened with 4 different banks in a small town before!

The previous week had a 'pension' review with the financial advisors at work. I don't contribute, it's just part of the package. The funds had only fallen 42% in the previous year!

42% - 100% is a fairly big difference, but not unimaginable.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'W')hen you know the economic carpet is unraveling... any strange event like that is a Maalox moment LOLThe beginning of the shortage will be sporadic, but the cyber attacks on the bank card nets might work any time for any amount of time.. kinda scary that!