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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 21:33:44

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I don't look for men, they're men. No need. They'll come to me, or not.

Right now, I don't really give a flying rat's ass.


Now THAT sounds like the right attitude to survive the Amish/Bartertown/Zombieworld future we all know was supposed to arrive with peak oil last year ( but has been delayed by the obvious, cheap and plentiful gasoline, financial system still standing, plenty of natural gas and coal, China still buying Treasuries, you still have a job, etc etc ) and to teach them pesky mens not to mess with a woman of such stature that a little divorce would drive her thousands of miles away from the doomstead she was happy with rather than fight for it with the LAST guy she didn't like.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 21:49:49

Don't worry, you wouldn't stand a chance with me either. I'm not really all that impressed with keyboard warriors.

Instead of taking shots at someone who reveals their personal feelings and situations, you can always go pleasure yourself with hypothetical Zombie Horde scenarios, which is what you really want to be talking about all the time anyway.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 21:54:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'D')on't worry, you wouldn't stand a chance with me either. I'm not really all that impressed with keyboard warriors.


I'm a married school teacher, hooking up with random warriors so fierce that they flee thousands of miles from their doomstead isn't quite the quality of person I'm looking for to cover my back against legions of zombies.

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Instead of taking shots at someone who reveals their personal feelings and situations, you can always go pleasure yourself with hypothetical Zombie Horde scenarios, which is what you really want to be talking about all the time anyway.


Hey, zombie hordes look like a wet dream of this place, I just mention them to fit in. There is a guy, based out of San Antonio, looking for the same type of plot of land that you are. Don't worry about regular nuts, go find guys like HIM and team up, his ideas ran along the same lines as yours, out of the city, head for the hill country or pines, little gardening and such.

Don't be discouraged, they are out there, but as the saying goes, the good ones are probably already taken. :P
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby AgentR » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:11:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', ' ')bullshit, armchair judgements of me.


No judgment was written or implied.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')rying to pidgeon hole me into some sort of delusional..


I don't know you enough to even be interested in trying to pigeon hole you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am much deadlier than I look. I'm starting to think I like it that way. I'll find a way to exploit that quality later on when it counts.


Sounds like a good way to stick out like a rusty nail.

In the real world, a 10 year old with a rock can kill the biggest, baddest macho twit in the park. Anyone with stereoscopic vision is hideously deadly. Its a feature best hidden, not displayed. Being noticed is being a target, and being a target is bad.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't look for men, they're men. No need. They'll come to me, or not.
Right now, I don't really give a flying rat's ass.


Then why open a topic about PO and relationships.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:55:00

I had no idea my personal life would be so interesting to you. Makes me wonder what you are lacking that you continually revisit the thread of someone recovering from a disappointing experience simply to criticize about issues that only exist in your speculation.

Past tense. That relationship has ended. Changing social, political and economic climate was indeed a factor in my decision to end my last relationship.

I don't mind discussing that, but I don't have any intention of discussing my marriage. You can speculate all day about why I left Canada and you still don't know and you never will. It's not on the table for discussion.

Let's stick to the facts.

Fact- I was distracted from my personal preparations by my most recent relationship.

Fact- The man I was dating proved to be an incompatible partner in many ways, including but not exclusive to his excessive consumer goods addiction. I wish him happiness and prosperity, but I'm not climbing in a lifeboat with him.

Fact- I am refocused on my personal plans. That is really the focus of my thread. In hindsight, I chose an unfortunate title.

Fact- You really have nothing to contribute to this thread, if all you intend to to is speculate about my character.

Fact- I have opened private dialog with a few individuals which are a direct result of my posting and therefore it is functioning in the very way I intended.

There we go. Time is up.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Auntie_Cipation » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:59:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', 'C')an't just put an ad in the personnels 'doomer seeks doomer' can we. :lol:


Sure ya can -- worked for me. Well, not literally that phrase, but...

I used a singles program called greensingles, which has been recommended on this site before. I used it because it fits who I am, not just the doomer part but all of me. Choose whatever site or organization fits you the best -- there are online singles sites for vegetarians, for animal-lovers, for farmers/ranchers, for people of various religious faiths, etc. Pick whichever one seems best for you, and then describe yourself in a way that filters out all the people you don't want to hear from -- the shoppers, the keep-up-w-the-Jonesers, etc. Be sure to include all the things you are into, because people search those sites using keywords -- so while perhaps "doomer" is not the best choice of word, you might say that you're into gardening, self-reliance, preparing for the future, etc. I used the phrase "coming changes" to make it clear that I'm aware things are changing, but without getting too detailed about my specific views. I also listed myself as "peak oil aware" and said that I was into reading about Peak Oil and the house of cards economy. That was my winning line, as my partner indeed did find me on that site by searching for "Peak Oil" :P :P
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby AgentR » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:11:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act- I was distracted from my personal preparations by my most recent relationship.


Thus the thread.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act- The man I was dating proved to be an incompatible partner in many ways, including but not exclusive to his excessive consumer goods addiction. I wish him happiness[ and prosperity, but I'm not climbing in a lifeboat with him.


Thus making the quality of bad and good partner attributes relevant to the discussion.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act- I am refocused on my personal plans. That is really the focus of my thread. In hindsight, I chose an unfortunate title.


Then do not be dismayed that others would pursue conversation relevant to the thread title. You do not get to dictate the nature of the discussion that will occur within a thread, even if you start it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act- You really have nothing to contribute to this thread, if all you intend to to is speculate about my character.


I don't know anything about your character, and have said nothing indicating any particular assumption about what your character may or may not be like. I honestly don't care. The thread itself is interesting enough.

As to whether I have something to contribute, you do not have a say in that matter. If you do not wist to read my material, it is a simple matter to place my name on your ignore list; though it will have no impact on whether or not I post something or respond to material that you post.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act- I have opened private dialog with a few individuals which are a direct result of my posting and therefore it is functioning in the very way I intended.

Very good start. I am pleased that you are acquiring some useful information.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:54:27

Just gotta say, Wednesday---having had a back and forth with you in the past...you are such a girlie girl. Nothing wrong with that. Most of the women on the board are gay or not particularly girlie. I hope you stick around, because you are, in a way, kind of fascinating...a highly feminine woman who doesn't like to shop and is looking for a survivalist kind of guy...that makes you kind of a statistical anomaly, and I mean that as a compliment. :)
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 02:03:56

Well threadbare I have to admit that you have surprised me. I will accept your compliment in the spirit in which it was intended. Thank you and let's have a little peace.

I have been accused of being very feminine in the past more than once. I suppose it is fortunate that I was born female!

I can be aggressive when irked and I am offended by the notion that I would seek to...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')ttract a man to protect you, forage for you, move you from Houston where you can properly concentrate on prepping for <select favorite, being Amish, hunter-gatherer society, Bartertown, Cursed Earth >, protect you from the zombies who might arrive at any minute, or in general be around to sponge off of


Really? Is that an appropriate assumption? Women only need men for protection or to sponge off of? If that was really the case then I suppose any ole Jethro would fill the bill.

My heart feels like ground hamburger, I feel stuck in a city that I know is a FEMA zone waiting to happen, I recently buried my mother, I have legal issues and I am just plain upset about a few things these days.

Discussing my failed relationships might have given the impression that I am looking for a new one. I am not at this time.

It is my belief that at the end of a love affair, one must sit back and refocus, clear the head and take emotional inventory before starting something new. I simply am not ready at this time. That will happen when it happens and I dont like to rush the process.

Part of the process is planning my preps. I am looking for ideas and inspiration. Man or no man, I have a life to live over here, thank you very much.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby outcast » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 10:39:03

Yet all of this assumes one thing: That the end is nigh. What if it's not? What if everything you've based your life around during the past few years turned out to be like Y2K (ie, a non-event spurred on by people with agendas)? Wouldn't that make all of this something of a waste?
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby AgentR » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 11:00:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'M')y heart feels like ground hamburger, I feel stuck in a city that I know is a FEMA zone waiting to happen, I recently buried my mother, I have legal issues and I am just plain upset about a few things these days.


Then simply slow down and wait; nothing interesting is likely to happen while you clear this other stuff off your plate. Preserve and build a mix of cash and inflation proof liquid assets. Since you've already spent some time in a rural setting, those skills won't magically disappear simply because you cool your heels for a couple years while legal stuff gets unwound.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')art of the process is planning my preps. I am looking for ideas and inspiration. Man or no man, I have a life to live over here, thank you very much.


Planning without buying anything is a great diversion in its own way; dense forest and oblivious people are within a couple hours of where you are right now; plenty of land attainable with what you could stash away over a couple years of cooling down time. Crops and seasons and storage will be different down here of course; but I believe you'll find its the same drill; just sometimes you plant stuff in January!
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 18:38:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')ttract a man to protect you, forage for you, move you from Houston where you can properly concentrate on prepping for <select favorite, being Amish, hunter-gatherer society, Bartertown, Cursed Earth >, protect you from the zombies who might arrive at any minute, or in general be around to sponge off of


Really? Is that an appropriate assumption? Women only need men for protection or to sponge off of? If that was really the case then I suppose any ole Jethro would fill the bill.


I have always assumed that part of the attraction to some of the peak oil caused scenarios was the idea of men going back to being manly men, taking what they want from weaker males, collecting women to their obvious manliness, huntin and fishin and letting the women cook and clean and kowtow to them.... etc etc.

The concept doesn't strike me as pleasant for the women involved, but I can see how the men, particularly those who feel a bit emasculated in the modern world where brainpower tends to overwhelm what might be considered old-fashion "manli man-ness". Call it football hero's versus 120# veggie eating Harvard lawyer types who get the Porsche and the chicks in the end because of what the modern world rewards.

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Part of the process is planning my preps. I am looking for ideas and inspiration. Man or no man, I have a life to live over here, thank you very much.


Hey, you've been on this website long enough to have survived TWO peak oils now....whatever you have been doing since you joined, it must be a success!
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 19:19:13

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I have always assumed that part of the attraction to some of the peak oil caused scenarios was the idea of men going back to being manly men, taking what they want from weaker males, collecting women to their obvious manliness, huntin and fishin and letting the women cook and clean and kowtow to them.... etc etc.



Well, that's damn pathetic. :|
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 19:53:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
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I have always assumed that part of the attraction to some of the peak oil caused scenarios was the idea of men going back to being manly men, taking what they want from weaker males, collecting women to their obvious manliness, huntin and fishin and letting the women cook and clean and kowtow to them.... etc etc.



Well, that's damn pathetic. :|


I would agree. I suppose its one of the reasons why, when people start talking about their favorite PO scenario's, we all get lumped in with run of the mill nutters.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 20:39:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'Y')et all of this assumes one thing: That the end is nigh. What if it's not? What if everything you've based your life around during the past few years turned out to be like Y2K (ie, a non-event spurred on by people with agendas)? Wouldn't that make all of this something of a waste?


I'm not going to get into a peak oil debate. I have experienced first hand what happens to Houston, Texas in a disaster. In September 2008, Hurricane Ike put this city out of business for weeks and that was just a little ole rainstorm.

It absolutely strengthened my resolve to become as self-sustaining as humanly possible. Peak Oil, recession, hurricane, pandemic, nuclear war, maurading raiders, zombie hordes...six, one-half dozen or the other.

I lived it. No debating.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'I') have always assumed that part of the attraction to some of the peak oil caused scenarios was the idea of men going back to being manly men, taking what they want from weaker males, collecting women to their obvious manliness, huntin and fishin and letting the women cook and clean and kowtow to them.... etc etc.


I'm not responsible for your fantasies. Why would you go around spewing crap that you claim you don't believe in? It certainly doesn't lend you any credibility.

Back to reality....

I've been in contact this weekend with a man who owns rural property in the area where I work. His mother also recently passed away and he now owns two homes on his property. The main house and the cottage. I have an appointment to view the cottage next weekend.
I told him that I was very interested in "gardening" and might be interested in digging up part of the yard. He seems agreeable to that arrangement.

Again, it's a rental, but its a rental with a well, septic and a little acreage. Plenty of privacy and space. VERY affordable. I could save a significant portion of my income this way.

I will have a better understanding after I actually meet him, as long as he isn't too creepy, I'd be willing to sign a six month lease. It's a temporary measure, but it's close to work and still well outside the city.

It's an offer that is certainly worth investigating.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby AgentR » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 20:46:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'I') have always assumed that part of the attraction to some of the peak oil caused scenarios was the idea of men going back to being manly men, taking what they want from weaker males, collecting women to their obvious manliness, huntin and fishin and letting the women cook and clean and kowtow to them.... etc etc.


I wonder if you may be close, but also missing the mark. I only know myself, so maybe I'm an aberration; but in the modern world, to make a living suitable to support a family, one is corralled into intellectual, creative efforts of paper and/or digital bits. In one sense, its fine, since I am able; but there is also something missing, the surging of blood through muscle that you can feel; not from anxiety or from some other brief exuberance; but the sustained manual output of energy. Creation of the physical by physical action, powered by muscle and blood. Not in a romantic fiction sense, but the whole process, both the aches and exhaustion, the fear of injury, the exultation of completion, and the literal song the body sings while performing.

Nothing destructive AT ALL about it; but a very different world it would be where such labors were considered the suitable and viable means by which to support a family in comfort.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 21:45:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '.') I have experienced first hand what happens to Houston, Texas in a disaster. In September 2008, Hurricane Ike put this city out of business for weeks and that was just a little ole rainstorm.


Oh please....disaster....my sister had a vacation for 2 weeks and people like you pretended it was a disaster? Give me a break....she used her generator to run everyones refrigerator, everyone contributed gasoline, the kids loved the break from school.

Now...if you were dumb enough to stick around Galveston your experience might have been different I suppose, but you can't unteach stupid.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'I') have always assumed that part of the attraction to some of the peak oil caused scenarios was the idea of men going back to being manly men, taking what they want from weaker males, collecting women to their obvious manliness, huntin and fishin and letting the women cook and clean and kowtow to them.... etc etc.


I'm not responsible for your fantasies. Why would you go around spewing crap that you claim you don't believe in? It certainly doesn't lend you any credibility.


And its even worse to the people who advocate such silliness as well. I don't "spew" it, I reference it, and I've already commented on what it does to credibility in general....the same effect I would venture as those who claim to be "deadly" and have a doomstead yet break cover and run at the first opportunity...and then discover boyfriends who hang out at the mall? While juvenile, I would venture that such a thing should have been obvious WAY before you needed to complain about it.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '
')Back to reality....

I will have a better understanding after I actually meet him, as long as he isn't too creepy, I'd be willing to sign a six month lease. It's a temporary measure, but it's close to work and still well outside the city.

It's an offer that is certainly worth investigating.


RENTING? Please...the first time you try and dig a decent sized hole for the bomb shelter, the landowner will be all over you like white on rice.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby outcast » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 22:12:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not going to get into a peak oil debate. I have experienced first hand what happens to Houston, Texas in a disaster. In September 2008, Hurricane Ike put this city out of business for weeks and that was just a little ole rainstorm.



I would hardly call a major hurricane a "little rainstorm". Any hurricane like that would have put everything everywhere it landed out of business temporarily. Katrina in '05 devastated large parts of the rural south and put them out of business in addition to NO, so by your reasoning rural lifestyles are also bad. Guess you just can't win.....


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Oh please....disaster....my sister had a vacation for 2 weeks and people like you pretended it was a disaster? Give me a break....she used her generator to run everyones refrigerator, everyone contributed gasoline, the kids loved the break from school.

Now...if you were dumb enough to stick around Galveston your experience might have been different I suppose, but you can't unteach stupid.



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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby Wednesday » Sun 22 Mar 2009, 23:34:23

If you're expecting me to refute every asinine assumption you can dredge up, you're going to be disappointed.
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Re: How PO affects my relationships.

Unread postby shortonsense » Mon 23 Mar 2009, 00:35:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'I')f you're expecting me to refute every asinine assumption you can dredge up, you're going to be disappointed.


I make no assumptions. I do however, listen.

Someone who is "deadlier than she looks", when confronted with divorce and a perfectly wonderful doomstead, chooses to abandon the doomstead, arguably the one thing, and perhaps most important thing in her life to actually use those "deadly" skills in keeping.

Instead?

She moves thousands of miles away, to a place she considers the height of unsustainability, acquires a boy toy, and hangs out at malls all before discovering that gee, she really needs the doomstead back.

Assinine? Of course. But no assumptions involved, just the facts ma'am.

Don't blame us for how your story looks....its YOUR story.

While I have to admit the occasional desire to let a trophy wife of some sort or another distract me from preparing in any way I see fit, I can't say I've ever confused a general societal crisis with the value of having a steady and true friend to cover my back rather than some cutesy who can't keep it in the 10 ring at a measly 100 yards, let alone who flee's whats really important at the first sign of confrontation.
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