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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 22:48:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I')f this passes and is enforced as it appears it will be, it is the end of freedom.


A bit like declaring the patient dead when his brain is removed at autopsy IMHO.

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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Nefarious » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 23:15:10

@ smallpox.. you ain't kidding there darlin

As for enforcing this if it becomes law. I think it would be more like selective enforcement. "Little ole lady with a garden" leave her alone. "Little ole protester with a garden" something extra to charge him with and remove him from society.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby jdumars » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 23:19:30

I'm not sure why people get all riled up about bills proposed in the House. There are all sorts of wackadoo things brought up for a vote that go absolutely nowhere. This bill has absolutely no legs, nor will it ever. There are a large number of representatives who are completely off their rockers.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Dawn » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 23:27:44

I don't know why, but for some reason the info in the first post reminds me of the p-a-t-r-i-o-t act (spaces on purpose so it's harder for bots to find the link). We owned a store when that went into affect and had to develop policies to comply with the law because we sold money orders, cashed checks and had western union. Do you know that I could go to jail for letting people know the law? It was all pretty threatening to me.

Now they want to control my garden? Fine! If it passes I'll keep records and report my tomatoes when they over produce. :cry:
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 23:49:31

People have commented that this is "unenforceable". That's true now. What happens when the government faces decreasing streams of revenue and is forced to shrink? A police state large enough to control a massive country like the US requires huge amount of resources - resources that we simply won't have in the near future (or really even now).
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 00:08:40

Does the moron who brought up this bill want the people to hate the government or what? (As if they didn't have enough reason already!)
I hope those suggesting this will never get passed are correct; but how easily did the gov ban medical herbs? Seems like another blatant corporate swindle. I'm not in the USA but if I was I would be bombarding every politician I can get a number or email for. This legislation is manifestly evil. What happened to Government For the People By the People? Faaaaark 'Them'. Just 1 step closer to every man/woman for themselves. :badgrin:
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 00:19:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'C')anning tomatoes in your kitchen will be regulated as a "Category 4 Food Establishment" and "FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY".


One would be a fool to allow a federal law to prevent you from planting your own food. OTOH, what did yall expect Democrats to go after once they got real power. Every last one of the listed sponsors of the indicated legislation are members of the Democratic party.

Personally, I don't think this is aimed at people growing their own food. Simply from reading the legislation, it becomes clear that a folder with all your recipes plus a periodic letter saying, "I growin foodz; I no sell or processss. I eatz da food. Your momma's ugly too." would essentially meet the stated requirements.

OTOH, someone growing food on 30 - 80 acres lets say, selling to local markets. I wouldn't want to be one of them; this legislation is essentially carte blanch to terminate the existence of any such "trouble maker" who might ever dare voice an opinion contrary to that of The Great Leader.

We all know how much Democrats just LOVE hearing passionate voices of opposition.

Simply put, its the Democrats way of saying, "Sit down, shut up, or we'll have to come hurt you and everyone you ever cared for."
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby hardtootell » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 00:40:01

Question to US citizens- Given the apparent intent of this bill, would you consider emigrating??
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby careinke » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 00:52:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uestion to US citizens- Given the apparent intent of this bill, would you consider emigrating??


Maybe.......After the fight.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 00:54:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hardtootell', 'Q')uestion to US citizens- Given the apparent intent of this bill, would you consider emigrating??


To where? If there's one thing world leaders can all agree on, it's their hatred of freedom.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 00:54:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hardtootell', 'Q')uestion to US citizens- Given the apparent intent of this bill, would you consider emigrating??


I've considered many times. I have lived outside the USA for 11 years so far. The only question for me now is this: Does any place exist that is outside the reach of the corporations' and bankers' control? My family moved here about 150 years ago so we definitely have roots. I'll stay and stand up for what is right as best I can.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 01:01:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I')f this passes and is enforced as it appears it will be, it is the end of freedom.


A bit like declaring the patient dead when his brain is removed at autopsy IMHO.

Freedom died a long time ago.


To me, they put the first nail in freedom's coffin in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created. Losing the ability to grow one's food would be the last nail in the coffin before they bury it, IMO.

The decline in the Peak Oil slope cannot come soon enough now. Get rid of these bastards.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 01:23:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hardtootell', 'Q')uestion to US citizens- Given the apparent intent of this bill, would you consider emigrating??


I've considered many times. I have lived outside the USA for 11 years so far. The only question for me now is this: Does any place exist that is outside the reach of the corporations' and bankers' control? My family moved here about 150 years ago so we definitely have roots. I'll stay and stand up for what is right as best I can.


I don't know much about other parts of the world than S.E. Asia, Oceania. Australia and N.Z. are likely to follow the lead of the USA on this as they do with corporate law generally.

In other poorer countries like Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam even Cambodia, this would be 100% impossible. The peasants will revolt. There can be no shred of doubt about that.
These people are under no illusions when it comes to food production at the local level. They are much less dependent on agri biz than 'developed' nations. In the cities here people may be able to be conned into something like this, but the rural areas will drown in blood before allowing the Gov to come and trash their crops.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 02:15:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hardtootell', 'Q')uestion to US citizens- Given the apparent intent of this bill, would you consider emigrating??


If this passes, and there are reports from the field of small farms getting shut down, and if there is no successful legal challenge mounted, I will consider moving to Canada. This could totally f*ck up the transition movement. Even with subsistence farming you're going to have a little surplus and some bartering going on. This could be really bad. This is the worst thing to happen since Bush's parting executive orders.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby oswald622 » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 02:41:37

a man alleges to have listened to a lecture by a top-level social engineer in the late 1960s. he recollected this lecture orally and a transcription of it was popularized on some tinfoil sites several months ago. he made a comment about food control, and i thought when i read it, 'well, that hasn't happened yet - don't know if this is credible...'

i just looked it up, here's what he had to say:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ood supplies would come under tight control. If population growth didn't slow down, food shortages could be created in a hurry and people would realize the dangers of overpopulation. Ultimately, whether the population slows down or not the food supply is to be brought under centralized control so that people would have enough to be well-nourished but they would not have enough to support any fugitive from the new system. In other words, if you had a friend or relative who didn't sign on, and growing ones own food would be outlawed. This would be done under some sort of pretext. In the beginning I mentioned there were two purposes for everything - one the ostensible purpose and one the real purpose, and the ostensible purpose here would be that growing your own vegetables was unsafe, it would spread disease or something like that. So the acceptable idea was to protect the consumer but the real idea was to limit the food supply and growing your own food would be illegal. And if you persist in illegal activities like growing your own food, then you're a criminal.


http://100777.com/node/19

IMHO, these kinds of predictions only make the conspiracy theories more credible. they are right time after time after time...
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 02:49:15

Can anyone with Police or Military connections see them enforcing this evil crap? I know quite a few cops and armed forces people who would be siding with the people against the Gov if they try to ram this through.

"I give you every herb, every fruit, every nut, every seed bearing tree; for you these shall be as meat."

What happened to America being Christian?
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Dawn » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 03:00:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hat happened to America being Christian?


What does that have to do with laws?
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 03:15:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dawn', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hat happened to America being Christian?
What does that have to do with laws?

Only almost everything.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby Dawn » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 03:32:16

Maybe, it's because we lost power tonight and so I am awake much later than usual. (Had to hook the generator up for the first time) But I still don't get it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an anyone with Police or Military connections see them enforcing this evil crap? I know quite a few cops and armed forces people who would be siding with the people against the Gov if they try to ram this through.


Not as much so for the police, but when you join the military your life isn't yours any more. You do what you are told... They call them orders not choices.
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Re: HR 875: Fed to massively regulate gardens, farms

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 03:52:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dawn', 'M')aybe, it's because we lost power tonight and so I am awake much later than usual. (Had to hook the generator up for the first time) But I still don't get it. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an anyone with Police or Military connections see them enforcing this evil crap? I know quite a few cops and armed forces people who would be siding with the people against the Gov if they try to ram this through.
Not as much so for the police, but when you join the military your life isn't yours any more. You do what you are told... They call them orders not choices.

"Young Men and Women of the Armed Forces are under orders to starve the citizens of their own country; Forthwith!" Will that work?
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