[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')Had he called one of my girls the cracker equivalent of a Nappy-Headed Ho in my earshot he would have lost more than his job.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')trong words, Pops.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')Because I am not discussing 'what I want to do', I am exploring a needed maturation of public perspective, with an eye toward such options no longer being illegal.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')Because I am not discussing 'what I want to do', I am exploring a needed maturation of public perspective, with an eye toward such options no longer being illegal.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'O')k, so you want it to be acceptable to kill the helpless.

Thanks for clarifying.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'O')k, so you want it to be acceptable to kill the helpless.

Thanks for clarifying.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'y')ou are talking about legalizing murder.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'y')ou are talking about legalizing murder.

[paimei01]

http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/16not ... ahood.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') university student while visiting Gasan asked him: "Have you ever read the Christian Bible?"

"No, read it to me," said Gasan.

The student opened the Bible and read from St. Matthew: "And why take ye thought for rainment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow. They toil not, neither do they spin, and yet I say unto you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these... Take therefore no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself."

Gasan said: "Whoever uttered those words I consider an enlightened man."

The student continued reading: "Ask and it shall be given you, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. For everyone that asketh receiveth, and he that seeketh findeth, and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened."

Gasan remarked: "That is excellent. Whoever said that is not far from Buddhahood."

[SeaGypsy]

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/02/0079915
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy humans might have traded this approach for the complexities of agriculture is an interesting and long-debated question, especially because the skeletal evidence clearly indicates that early farmers were more poorly nourished, more disease-ridden and deformed, than their hunter-gatherer contemporaries. Farming did not improve most lives. The evidence that best points to the answer, I think, lies in the difference between early agricultural villages and their pre-agricultural counterparts—the presence not just of grain but of granaries and, more tellingly, of just a few houses significantly larger and more ornate than all the others attached to those granaries. Agriculture was not so much about food as it was about the accumulation of wealth. It benefited some humans, and those people have been in charge ever since.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A')bsolute frogshit TWilliams.

Murder is the deliberate taking of another human life; other than as punishment for a crime seen by the commons as warranting such or in self defense against an equally armed attack.

[paimei01]

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter4-1.php
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s that word mine indicates, ownership implies an attachment of things to self. The more we own, the more we are. The constellation of me and mine grows. But no matter how large the discrete and separate self grows, it is still far smaller than the self of the hunter-gatherer. The pre-separation mind is able to affirm, all at once and without contradiction, "I am this body," "I am this tribe," "I am the jungle," "I am the world." No matter how much of the jungle we control, we are smaller than the one who knows, "I am the jungle." No matter how dominant we are socially, we are far less than one who knows, "I am my tribe." And far less secure, too, because all of these appendages to our tiny separate selves may be easily sundered from us. We are therefore perpetually and irremediably insecure. We go to great lengths to protect all these accessories of identity, our possessions and money and reputations, and when our house is burglarized, our wallet stolen, or our reputation besmirched, we feel as if our very selves have been violated.

Not only does our acquisitiveness arise out of separation, it reinforces it as well. The notion that a forest, a gene, an idea, an image, a song is a separate thing that admits ownership is quite new. Who are we to own a piece of the world, to separate out a part of the sacred universe and make it mine? Such hubris, once unknown in the world, has had the unfortunate effect of separating out ourselves as well from the matrix of reality, cutting us off (in experience if not in fact) from each other, from nature, and from spirit. By objectifying the world and everything in it, by making an other of the world, we necessarily objectify ourselves as well in relation to that other. The self becomes a lonely and isolated ego, connected to the world pragmatically but not in essence, afraid of death and thus closed to life. Such a self, cut off from its true nature and separated from the factitious environment created by its own self-definition, will always be insecure and will always try to exert more and more control over this environment.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A')bsolute frogshit TWilliams.

Murder is the deliberate taking of another human life; other than as punishment for a crime seen by the commons as warranting such or in self defense against an equally armed attack.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'W')hy kill others, and for what purpose : better chances of survival ?

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'W')hy kill others, and for what purpose : better chances of survival ?

[SeaGypsy]

An amazing photograph I found in National Geography 20 years ago or so. It was a group of refugees who had died in the desert fleeing a war zone.

They were all laying together in a big circle, about 200 of them.

My 1st thought to this wa imagine 200 westerners starving in the desert.

They would be strung out over miles, most would be alone in their final moments.

These guys made a consensus & just lay down together to die.

Very touching.

Is that what you are advocating TWilliam?

I think you are more advocating rounding them up and killing them properly as a compassionate act.

Nice

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Y')ou are spin doctoring definitions TWilliam.
Here is the Wiki version:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')urder as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide. All jurisdictions, ancient and modern, consider it a most serious crime and therefore impose severe penalty on its commission. The word murder is related, in old English, to the French word mordre (bite) in reference to the heavy compensation one must pay for causing an unjust death.[1]

[SeaGypsy]

Oh great one please show us the precedent where Eugenic Murder is re-defined please?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') think you are more advocating rounding them up and killing them properly as a compassionate act.

[SeaGypsy]

TWilliam; I write what I write on this because I do understand.

My son's great grandmother was a Jew in Vienna in 1937.

The Grandfather of the family called an extended family meeting to discuss their response to Adolf Hitler's pending extension of his murderous rampage against Jews (amongst many other 'non Arians')

There were 67 people in four generations of the family at this meeting which lasted 2 weeks.

They decided to stay.

In 1947 in a refugee camp in France; the same lady was told her sole surviving relative, a second cousin was in a Russian Gulag. He died there ten years later.

She was only alive because she was used as a prostitute (read: sex slave) she payed for this sin for the rest of her life.

The trauma of this kind of human endeavor is worse than starvation or even outright war. There is no honor in this kind of arbitrary killing. Even if the most extreme circumstances.

I will happily go to war against a regime like the one you are proposing& I am a hard core pacifist.